even with the FPS limiter turned off, most my maps cap out at 90fps, but as it would seem effects, and FX_runners etc play a role too, even some of my newer maps that are making optical illusions dip down to 50-60fps in some spots, but as long as it can stay above 30 in a skirmish, i consider that a passing grade, and I consider most my maps ideal for 8 players online, ive never made a huge map for a "big team ffa" per say