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Luke's Jedi Academy was different in that it allowed for human error, it's true. Because of this it was more dynamic, as well. I don't know if we can say that the flaws were polished, but I would say that the New Jedi Order stood closer to Gray Jedi ideologies in that many of its Jedi basked in both sides of the Force, but ultimately chose to stay at a neutral ground. It wasn't closely following the traditional Jedi ways.

The Jedi can co-exist with everyone else. That doesn't tip the scale of the balance. The extreme scenario would be if the Jedi had started either enforcing or inspiring others into following their own Code. If you look at the Jedi Code, one thing becomes glaringly obvious: there is no room for human error, or even essential human traits, and such "trangressions" are rarely tolerated, if at all, in the Order. "There is no emotion" they say. But people truly live when they feel."There is no ignorance" they say, yet what would you say is the most defining characteristic of human society? It's simplification, categorisation, and ignorance."There is no passion" they say, yet what are we taught we need to follow in order to be our best? A life without passion would hardly get us anywhere, and a life without love would be a life wasted."There is no chaos" they say, ignorant of the fact that chaos is an essential contrast to harmony, and that nature thrives in both."There is no Death" they say, yet death is an inseparable part of the human condition that gives our lives meaning. We cannot cheat death. Even if our spirits do live on, we are not what we once were -- it is a permanent transformation.In other words, to live like a Jedi, and live it truly, would mean to not be human. A society inspired by such ideals would stagnate, become stale and lifeless. In such an idealistic society bliss would become a chore because there would be no hard times to compare it to. Peace, and its meaning would ultimately be forgotten. People would lose all ambition, and exist only to exist with the world -- effectively becoming lifeless. The human spirit would die.

Tell me, why I should care about Jyn, and what happens to her in the movie? What makes me care about her story (i.e. the majority of the movie)? Precisely, I agree with you. That may have helped us bond with Jyn more, and actually relate to her on an emotional level. Yep, they have a reason alright: couldn't be bothered; there's no money in it... (i.e. "We know how to make money, not quality films. Don't hit us with this bullsh*t, just go buy a ticket to see the film already! We've given you enough marketing and fan-service.")

Which he learned from hunting, growing up, as one of the only forms of entertainment, and a skill for survival in the harsh deserts of Tatooine... And he wasn't that good...

When she was 17...? Wow... she must have had some combat experience... And that's why he left her, because she was the best...? Sure, that makes total sense... >.<'

One question: Can someone explain to me who Jyn Erso actually is, and where her dazzling fighting skills come from? Quoting the movie, please, not Wookiepedia. Because I didn't catch that... Or who any of the crew of Rogue One really are, for that matter. I know who Kyle Katarn and Jan Ors are. I don't know these guys. (And yes, I've seen the film...

Yet in all their wisdom they could not foresee that fighting for one side to end a conflict is not a position they should put themselves under, or that a boy who has lost everything needs love above all to grow up balanced, and strengthen his character. It seems to me the Jedi took their ideologies a little too to the point and literally. They became extrmists on the other side in the face of pressure.

Can they? I question that. People generally don't seem to notice when something they're used to is around. Only when it is gone do they pay attention to it. While I cannot (and do not want to) deny this, I will draw attention to the fact that without a dynamic between opposing powers, it is generally observed, in human behaviour, that things will go stale, progress will be halted, people will go lazy. It seems to me humanity needs conflict, and if the Jedi Code is to be followed to the fullest, there would be no room for any conflict at all. It seems to me that the Jedi are the other extreme.

I will. Why hurt the makers of that which you love?

Is there a way (console setting) to disable the zoom effect when the "speed" Force power is used in SP? I hate that visual effect -- it distorts the view and just gets in the way of things. Any way to turn it off permanently? Does anyone know? And while we're at it, any way to turn off the Force Speed trail?

Well, who says you can't? Actually, that would be illegal, I think. Is Robot Chicken available for free streaming online (officially)? I'm not sure... (Some TV series are...)

Whoah, Afinity... did I mention I love you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPria4lrLRc

Damn seagulls, stop it now!

Yes, I would see both of those scenarios as extreme and out of balance. In the first case, if the Jedi have created total peace, harmony, and understanding in the galaxy, progress would be halted to a stand-still and an entire civilisation would fall into apathy and decay. So, in other words, too much good is not good. The second scenario is easier to answer -- a war-torn galaxy where suffering is prevalent is once again out of balance, so in that scenario Gray Jedi would work to help the Light Side rise. In other words, too much conflict leads to too much suffering, and a tip in the natural balance once again. A true Gray Jedi would therefore -- in my understanding -- appreciate conflict as long as it ultimately serves a better purpose, and helps keep the balance between the Light and the Dark. So yes, sometimes that means looking the other way, and letting the Dark Side do its work. Not partaking in the atrocities necessarily, as Dark Jedi would, but supporting/helping it nonetheless. (Or just going along for the ride as a spectator.) They are the neutral party between the Light and the Dark, an outcast to both. They were once Jedi of the Order, now they walk the independent and uncertain road between the Dark and the Light. Conflict may be the bringer of much suffering, but is also a necessary part of the appreciation of harmony. The two are worthless without each other; they are unseparably connected. It depends on the state of balance in the Force. If there is too much harmony, conflict is needed. If there is too much conflict, more harmony is needed. Gray Jedi would appreciate and aid the work of the Dark Side in a galaxy dominated by the Light. Call it being bored. (But actually, it's working against the staleness and decay an all-Light galaxy would bring.) They would work to weaken the influence of the Jedi Order.

Exactly. A Gray Jedi Knight would aid the Dark Side if the Light had blinded the universe. He/she would not necessarily partake in the battle, but they would definitely aid the Dark Side to rise to its former position in the balance of the Force. Just look at Jolee Bindo in KOTOR. He was there to make sure the balance stays in balance, whether Revan had turned to the Dark or Light Side in the end. A true Gray Jedi recognises the need for harmony as well as the need for conflict. The need for selflessness as well as the values of individuality. They serve the balance between the Dark and the Light, owing allegiance to neither side, but to the balance itself -- or, in the case of Jolee, to the balance as well as his own amusement.

Another interesting thing to note is that a Jedi is generally *not* more powerful than a Sith (as an individual), but in fighting a great Jedi Knight, a Sith is truly facing the Light Side of the Force, and affecting the balance between the two sides. A Jedi Knight is only powerful when the Force commands it to restore the balance. Otherwise he/she is weak by individual power standards -- since there is supposed to be no individual power or ambition thriving within a Jedi Knight.

Hahaha! Oh dear, @@Darth Sion -- SuperCarlinBrothers is a Sith! XD Being a true Jedi Knight means being selfless, living for the Force rather than one's own development or benefit. Jedi are guardians of the Light Side of the Force, of balance and harmony. They are the yin. In opposition, the Sith are Knights of the Dark Side of the Force, concentrated on progress, control, and self-development (power). They are advocates of the benefits of chaos and individual qualities to make progress. They are the yang. The amusing thing is that one without the other would cause unbalance. The world needs both, and true harmony lies in-between, in the mutual struggle of these two forces with one another. That is the awareness of a Gray Jedi Knight -- my chosen pathway.

I do believe she could be worked into this if someone really aspired to do it. She just needs reshaped montrals/lekkus, and a few extra layers of clothing on top. (Could be done with kitbashing.) I'm not one for the job, though. (Not a fan of Rebels, or the new Ahsoka -- not in the least.)