Star Wars: Rogue One

JaceSolarisVIII · December 19, 2016

As soon as i got home i watched Episode 4 A New Hope.It follows on just perfect.I was able to watch ANH with new eyes and It actually felt good to see the puzzle pieces come together.

DrXann · December 19, 2016

The movie was different from normal star wars saga movies it takes ideas from several well known games such as dark forces, battlefront, x-wing vs tie fighter, and, empire at war.The

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was almost spot on.The ending is the highlight of the whole movie.I noticed the references to Star Wars Rebels thrown in.There at several things I didn't like

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The movie was excellent.

Cerez · December 20, 2016

One question: Can someone explain to me who Jyn Erso actually is, and where her dazzling fighting skills come from? Quoting the movie, please, not Wookiepedia. Because I didn't catch that... Or who any of the crew of Rogue One really are, for that matter.

I know who Kyle Katarn and Jan Ors are. I don't know these guys. (And yes, I've seen the film...

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therfiles · December 20, 2016

@@Cerez: Saw Gerrera says that she was the best soldier in his "cadre" and that's why he left her alone in a bunker. And that was like 5 (?) years before this film.

Cerez · December 20, 2016

On 12/20/2016 at 4:45 AM, therfiles said:
@@Cerez: Saw Gerrera says that she was the best soldier in his "cadre" and that's why he left her alone in a bunker. And that was like 5 (?) years before this film.

When she was 17...? Wow... she must have had some combat experience... And that's why he left her, because she was the best...? Sure, that makes total sense... >.<'

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therfiles · December 20, 2016

@@Cerez, no I think Gerrera left her since he thought she didn't need him anymore and she was "ready" (plus was a liability). To be fair, I think Gerrera's role was unfortunately underplayed by the film (he was incredibly interesting and his mentality was new to the Rebellion side of things). And...I don't know. Luke was a pretty good shot in Episode 4 (he was 19).

Cerez · December 20, 2016

On 12/20/2016 at 5:17 AM, therfiles said:
And...I don't know. Luke was a pretty good shot in Episode 4 (he was 19).

Which he learned from hunting, growing up, as one of the only forms of entertainment, and a skill for survival in the harsh deserts of Tatooine... And he wasn't that good...

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therfiles · December 20, 2016

I guess my point is why do we need some sort of elaborate explanation for her skills when we had a quick line of dialogue and moved on? I could provide a similar long rationale for Jyn (who extensively fought with Saw) and explain her abilities.

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Cerez · December 20, 2016

On 12/20/2016 at 5:30 AM, therfiles said:
I guess my point is why do we need some sort of elaborate explanation for her skills when we had a quick line of dialogue and moved on?

Tell me, why I should care about Jyn, and what happens to her in the movie? What makes me care about her story (i.e. the majority of the movie)?

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And yeah! I understood why he was killed off, but he would have been an excellent voice of contrast for Jyn in the film. Plus I would have loved to see more of their relationship. Even one action scene.

Precisely, I agree with you. That may have helped us bond with Jyn more, and actually relate to her on an emotional level.

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On 12/20/2016 at 5:30 AM, therfiles said:
But I'm sure the filmmakers have a reason for not expanding more on this

Yep, they have a reason alright: couldn't be bothered; there's no money in it... (i.e. "We know how to make money, not quality films. Don't hit us with this bullsh*t, just go buy a ticket to see the film already! We've given you enough marketing and fan-service.")

Noodle · December 20, 2016

On 12/20/2016 at 4:40 AM, Cerez said:
One question: Can someone explain to me who Jyn Erso actually is, and where her dazzling fighting skills come from? Quoting the movie, please, not Wookiepedia. Because I didn't catch that... Or who any of the crew of Rogue One really are, for that matter.

I know who Kyle Katarn and Jan Ors are. I don't know these guys. (And yes, I've seen the film...

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...and watched them die, feeling absolutely nothing for their ultimate sacrifice...)

She was trained by the Space Islamic State since she was a child. She's not even that much of a fighter (does she even shoot a blaster after they leave Jedha?). It's not like Jan Ors and Kyle Katarn had much of a backstory either that's not explained in books.

On 12/20/2016 at 5:10 AM, Cerez said:
When she was 17...? Wow... she must have had some combat experience... And that's why he left her, because she was the best...? Sure, that makes total sense... >.<'

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(Even knowing that she was recognisable.)

In real life the Islamic State trains children for warfare. It's not far fetched to think she was a competent terrorist at 17 years old. And he says she was abandoned because she was the daughter of an imperial scientist and it'd be hard to cover that up.

On 12/20/2016 at 5:23 AM, Cerez said:
Which he learned from hunting, growing up, as one of the only forms of entertainment, and a skill for survival in the harsh deserts of Tatooine... And he wasn't that good...

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It's a shame they killed Saw as soon as they created him, so we may never know his angle. Reminds me of someone in a chrome plated armour... >.<'

I guess hunting and growing up provide better training than actually being part of a rebel militia.

On 12/20/2016 at 5:54 AM, Cerez said:
Tell me, why I should care about Jyn, and what happens to her in the movie? What makes me care about her story (i.e. the majority of the movie)?

She's space Jean D'arc, rallying the rebellion behind a big common cause. If you didn't care about her, that's fine, but it seems you are just trying to simplify the movie by ignoring things that were explained in it.

Here's my criticism of the movie: I think there should've been more interactions between Jyn and the crew, so they could fesh out their characters more. The movie tells you that Cassian has been working for the rebellion since he was 6 and that Jyn was raised as a child soldier, yet almost nothing comes out from it. In my opinion, the ship shouldn't just be a tool to travel from point A to point B, but the place where characters get to know each other. Like in ANH, when Han Solo tells Luke that he thinks the force is BS. That interaction is important because it makes Han's come back at the end a form of character growth (smuggler that believes in nothing begins to care about something bigger than him).

I also didn't like the fact that the droid only communicated in the form of sassy quips. I get comedical relief, but even C-3PO had serious dialogue.

And what's with Disney and the total incapacity of producing a decent OST? They've all those wonderful composers that make catchy songs for their animated films, but there isn't a single memorable track from their live action stuff. From Marvel to Star Wars, all the music they compose is dull and designed for background noise only. Can anyone humm the music that sounds when Jyn sees

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? It's a pity that Disney can't produce good music. I miss tracks that were as memorable as when Order 66 is activated, when Luke stares at the sunset, or when they're finally blowing up Death Star I.

Xycaleth · December 20, 2016

About the music: John Williams wrote the music for TFA. Rogue One is the first SW film to not be scored by Williams. It's not a Disney thing.

DrXann · December 20, 2016

Who put up all these spoilers.

DarthStevenus · December 20, 2016

The Youtube channel Every Frame a Painting did a video recently about the soundtracks of the Marvel movies.

I disagree with some of the reasons he brought up (that the music never defies your expectations), but it did inspire a bunch of response videos that are also interesting, like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVRiofzRErc

The composer for Rogue One also did the score for the Star Trek movies and Doctor Strange, and I've seen people point out before how similar the main themes of those movies are, so maybe he's just not a very creative composer? I'm not real familiar with his stuff beyond those movies.

Anyway, my biggest problem with the movie was the main character. Jyn was practically a blank slate to me, not much character to speak of. Like if I try and describe her personality, the best I can come up with is that she's kind of tough and resourceful, and she misses her dad.

Futuza · December 20, 2016

Jyn has about as much character as Bella from Twilight. She's a blank slate designed purely to be a window through which the viewers experience the film. She has no remarkable traits or quirks which make her stand out, simply that she wants to rescue her dad and fight the evil empire, but...every generic hero wants to do that. Every line she says is literally something anyone would say if they were in the same situation. She's 100% relatable, and 0% unique. There are about fifty things they could have done to fix this, but poor plot planning held them back from giving her a real character because of lack of running time.

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It's interesting that the music for Rogue One was so lackluster in my opinion, especially since I like some of Michael Giacchino's stuff. eg: His stuff from the StarTrek reboot in 2009 was amazing. I feel like maybe he's gotten burnt out lately as a composer, needs to take a break and study some more classical music then come back and do a movie every once in a while. However, that being said, it also isn't fair to compare someone else to John Williams, he's literally the best movie composer alive. While Hans Zimmer and others can certainly make beautiful music it isn't nearly as refined and powerful as William's score.

Noodle · December 20, 2016

On 12/20/2016 at 5:17 PM, DarthStevenus said:
The Youtube channel Every Frame a Painting did a video recently about the soundtracks of the Marvel movies.

I disagree with some of the reasons he brought up (that the music never defies your expectations), but it did inspire a bunch of response videos that are also interesting, like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVRiofzRErc

The composer for Rogue One also did the score for the Star Trek movies and Doctor Strange, and I've seen people point out before how similar the main themes of those movies are, so maybe he's just not a very creative composer? I'm not real familiar with his stuff beyond those movies.

Anyway, my biggest problem with the movie was the main character. Jyn was practically a blank slate to me, not much character to speak of. Like if I try and describe her personality, the best I can come up with is that she's kind of tough and resourceful, and she misses her dad.

Those are very interesting videos, nice!

On 12/20/2016 at 2:19 PM, Xycaleth said:
About the music: John Williams wrote the music for TFA. Rogue One is the first SW film to not be scored by Williams. It's not a Disney thing.

The production of that soundtrack is odd, Williams didn't work with The London Symphony Orchesta, and he didn't work with the final reel of the film, so most of his work was butchered by Abrams when he re-edited the film. I think it lacks the strenght that previous works by Williams have.

NumberWan · December 20, 2016

Michael Giacchino is great, and did a great job in Rogue One. However it works just fine in the film, it's not the same, when you listen to it separately, unlike the music for Episodes I-VI. A similar problem was with Episode VII, though a few themes come to my mind, if I try to recall. The very first track sounded especially good.

Saw Guerrera has indeed a smaller role in the film, than I thought, but I am glad, we don't see him joining the main team. I would also say, that I felt relieved, when I saw, that Saw had his own group and goals, and stepped away from the Alliance: thus we don't see or hear about him in A New Hope events. Naturally.

Jyn Erso is indeed a very simple character: I would even say, that the first minutes of her in the film could remind us of any movie about a girl, losing her parents, the pattern is in there. Yet, it's still interesting to see what's what next. I do believe, that somehow it's complicated to create an original heroine here: most of the films showed quite a lot already, and even more difficult to surprise an old-time Star Wars fan these days (hey, we are on JK forum after all!).

We might compare her to Kyle Katarn, who wouldn't be original these days either, but he was lucky enough to be created in an interesting period for Star Wars franchise – between OT and the prequels, and more importantly he regained his personality despite huge changes to his status, from a stormtrooper to rebel agent, and later to Jedi Knight and even Master.

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One of the really good sides about Jyn, which I actually admire – is that she is not a Jedi. And she doesn't intend and doesn't become one. In this regard I like Rogue One above some others, as it brings back the words of Kreia:

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Atton: "Explain something to me."
Kreia: "I do not have the years required – nor the desire to indulge you."
Atton: "If she served in the war... well, Jedi are supposed to be tough. Capable."
Kreia: "Yes, and what are they without the Force? Take the greatest Jedi Knight, strip away the Force, and what remains? They rely on it, depend on it, more than they know. Watch as one tries to hold a blaster, as they try to hold a lightsaber, and you will see nothing more than a woman – or a man. A child."

This concept is quite true to the Original Trilogy, as by the time of Episode VI release, the common idea was that everybody could be a Jedi. The midichlorians in Episode I slightly changed the concept, which undoubtfully remained the same: there is a level of the Force within the individuals, but their resolve, their efforts and other qualities might or might not pave the way to become a Master of the Force at one point – if they desire.

Nevertheless this time I feel more satisfied as a Star Wars fan, because I got the necessary dosage of excitement like when I watched A New Hope for the first time, and when I saw The Phantom Menace release, marking the return of the Galaxy to my #1 interests.

the_raven · December 21, 2016

personally I can't watch the movie - none of my damned friends want to go see it with me (and going alone is boring)! still, what i can say is that i don't much like the main actress, but it's just a matter of personal taste

Barricade24 · December 21, 2016

One thing I am still curious about is what are the Death Troopers? They certainly weren't human.

DrXann · December 21, 2016

They didn't have much of a role aside from Jyn's backstory.

Noodle · December 21, 2016

On 12/21/2016 at 2:17 PM, Barricade24 said:
One thing I am still curious about is what are the Death Troopers? They certainly weren't human.

They could be using some sort of filter that alters their voice so non-imperial soldiers can't understand what they're saying.

NumberWan · December 21, 2016

I found a video (now obsolete, I guess), where someone combined the last scene of Rogue One together with Episode IV opening scene. There are several things, which come to my mind now:

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- In A New Hope Vader says, that Leia's ship received several transmissions from the Rebel spies, which might or might not mean, that there was something else aside from the Death Star plans (my personal idea – is that Kyle Katarn stole the other part of the schematics on Danuta and also transmitted his part to Leia )

- I can now clearly say, that while A New Hope can exist and bring the story without any Expanded Universe, Rogue One certainly fails to do the same without A New Hope.

milestails · December 25, 2016

Just saw the film. Liked the CGI

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as well. Costumes and makeup were appropriate for the "1970s." Cool to see

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Was surprised by the lack of an opening crawl, but I guess that had already been done in the Clone Wars film. Opening crawls are reserved for Episodes I guess.

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I am glad that I was proved to be right.

Loved the transition scenes to ANH at the end.

Definitely worth a second viewing.

Now some issues:

Jyn Erso - Jan Ors - seriously think of a more original name? "Rebellions are built on hope." - cringeworthy
Reused plot points -

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I am one with the Force and the Force is with me - too much of this
Chirrut Îmwe - Completely bogus how

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Krennic - I will quote Jurassic Park, "SHOOT HER!"
Saw Gerrera - unnecessary character

Kyber crystal - It is supposed to be spelled Kaiburr.

NumberWan · December 25, 2016

@@milestails

Yes, that's the point. I also enjoyed seeing familiar faces a lot. In terms of Jan Ors reference and other aspects, yes, they could have moved farther from the already existing stories.

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And for your comment on Chirrut Îmwe, well, someone made a picture

milestails · December 25, 2016

Perhaps a separate spoilers thread is necessary at this point?

mrwonko · December 25, 2016

On 12/25/2016 at 10:36 PM, milestails said:
Perhaps a separate spoilers thread is necessary at this point?

That's probably a good idea. Feel free to start one!

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