Star Wars Episode VII Discussion

NumberWan · April 16, 2015

One rumour, which was troubling me for some time now, actually was proven in this trailer:

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I think, this is part of a philosophical aspect of the film, the continuation of certain ideas, part of the chain, now formed of seven episodes.

I also feel much Shakespeare in this one.

NumberWan · April 16, 2015

@GPChannel

If only that were Teaser #3 =))) But thanks for the link anyways. It's already being discussed. So please, what's your impression of the new video?

Also someone by the name of Aaron Kennedy is playing an unknown cloaked messenger, as according to IMDB.

The rumours coming in too fast. We now also know the name of the planet seen in the trailers.

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Ramikad · April 16, 2015

On 4/16/2015 at 7:44 PM, Circa said:
"Chewie...we're home."

Home? Uhm. Kashyyyk? Corellia?

NumberWan · April 16, 2015

A few pictures, which @Kylo Ren might enjoy especially.

I also think this spoiler reveals the status of the Rebel Alliance by the time of TFA.

And we now know, what's the name of the bad guys organization (Alert!)

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Circa · April 16, 2015

On 4/16/2015 at 9:29 PM, Ramikad said:
Home? Uhm. Kashyyyk? Corellia?

Judging from the trailer, looked like the Millennium Falcon to me.

Lamented · April 16, 2015

On 4/16/2015 at 9:29 PM, Ramikad said:
Home? Uhm. Kashyyyk? Corellia?

I'm pretty sure he was referring to Tatooine, where their story began.

Also, this trailer is awesome for so many reasons. Feeling a LOT of hype.

NumberWan · April 16, 2015

@Intone

it might be a spoiler, but it's not Tatooine. I also believe, that Han would rather say that phrase about Falcon or Corellia. But the phrase must also mean something for us, and Corellia is unlikely to bring any nostalgic memories (Rogue Squadron 3D and SWTOR don't count).

I also noticed an X-Wing of older version in the trailer. And there is an unknown figure at the ceremony, when we see lots of stormtroopers, new TIEs and Imperial turrets.

Checked the alien hand with Anakin's lightsaber one more time. That must the code-named Rose character.

DrXann · April 16, 2015

The planet is referred to as Jakku which is most likely a stand-in for Tatoonie. First Order and Resistance are basically the movie version of the Imperial Remnant and New Republic. Whats the name of the snow planet during the rally/ceremony?

NumberWan · April 16, 2015

@DrXann

I think it is somehow symbolical, that Tunisia became Tatooine, while a different location served for Jakku. The concepts showed various architecture, including colomns with blue stripes in the hangar. And you are right, that FO and Resistance replace the older familiar organizations.

The snow planer hasn't been revealed yet, but in 1 interview it was said, that the planet might not be snowy at all - it's simply the mountains on this world.

The ceremony itself is a clear nod towards the Triumph of the will. The uniform, the leader in the distance and the red flag itself.

Tempust85 · April 16, 2015

Yay, I can continue on the stormtrooper.

Lamented · April 17, 2015

On 4/16/2015 at 10:29 PM, NumberWan said:
@Intone
it might be a spoiler, but it's not Tatooine. I also believe, that Han would rather say that phrase about Falcon or Corellia.

...If they're referring to the Falcon, how would that make sense? Why would they leave their prized ship behind for such a long time and come back to it later? Isn't it Han's pride and joy? I doubt he'd ever decide to ditch it for a while.

And Corellia... meh. Not as nostalgic, and I don't see why Corellia would be Chewie's home. I still think/hope it's Tatooine, I don't see what else they'd want to call home.

Archangel35757 · April 17, 2015

@ -- because Han was supposedly commanding a capital ship. Makes sense returning to the Falcon.

eezstreet · April 17, 2015

Maybe this is a slip of the ear...but I think Luke says "My father has it" and not "My father had it" which seems to imply that Vader has a presence in the movie beyond probably a force ghost.

Zappa_0 · April 17, 2015

On 4/17/2015 at 1:11 AM, eezstreet said:
Maybe this is a slip of the ear...but I think Luke says "My father has it" and not "My father had it" which seems to imply that Vader has a presence in the movie beyond probably a force ghost.

The audio is of when Luke was telling Leia that she was his sister from Return of the Jedi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDYX_PgorRY

But again there are suppose to be Vader flashbacks.

also took some screenshots of a few of my favorite parts of the trailer:

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link to my album of other trailer photos:

https://jkhub.org/albums/P7c8r

Feel free to use these photos if anyone wants to!

eezstreet · April 17, 2015

On 4/17/2015 at 1:40 AM, Zappa_0 said:
The audio is of when Luke was telling Leia that she was his sister from Return of the Jedi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDYX_PgorRY

But again there are suppose to be Vader flashbacks.

also took some screenshots of a few of my favorite parts of the trailer:

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Looks like Tatooine to me, we all maybe wrong.

That looks alot like Hoth to me!

Looks like an important scene on Tatooine!

She certainly has the look of Padme, hopefully she is kin to some of the Skywalkers!

Something bad is about to happen....Ive got a bad feeling about this!

link to my album of other trailer photos:
https://jkhub.org/albums/P7c8r

Feel free to use these photos if anyone wants to!

Holy crap, I didn't even realize the reference. Well played, Abrams. Well played.

TheWhitePhoenix · April 17, 2015

I wasn't going to see this and stick to the EU....But after this latest trailer...I don't know. Maybe I should give Disney a chance. Rebels didn't exactly hit me, maybe EPVII will.

Cerez · April 17, 2015

So... is Luke going to have a daughter instead of a son in this story? Obviously the other lead character can't be his son... Or is Ben Skywalker going to appear in this story after all?

I'm confused...

I think a female heroine would suit better, actually -- but I'm not fond of ditching the old canon.

Cerez · April 17, 2015

On 4/16/2015 at 9:29 PM, Ramikad said:
Home? Uhm. Kashyyyk? Corellia?

The Millenium Falcon, of course! Han is a smuggler. Get with it, guys!

Edit: Wow, this thread has gotten very long...

eezstreet · April 17, 2015

I'd like to see a character besides another man. I mean, just think of it. I think the father/son thing already had its heyday with the original trilogy. We need someone totally different to tell a new story. I'm prepared to back this up with some evidence:

- The first teaser showed us the chick driving around on a landspeeder. Relevance? The name Skywalker is associated with pilots and those who otherwise drive vehicles. Anakin drove a podracer. Luke drove a landspeeder. In the second trailer, we see a familiar image: a streak flying through the desert. This bears a striking resemblance to many scenes in Ep1 and 4.

- I mean, she looks like Luke and Leia, and bears a striking similarity to Padme. I don't see much Solo in her though.

- There's also the other pilot guy. He's seen in an x-wing. I think it's safe to assume that he's probably a Skywalker too. There's a pretty strong resemblance to Luke there.

- Luke is most likely going to serve as an Old Ben to some apprentice. However, who it is remains a mystery. I've assumed that the two are children, above. Either one of these assumptions may be wrong. Or, it's possibly a plot twist. Maybe only one of them gets chosen as a Jedi. Maybe one resembles the dark side and the other, the light. It's noteworthy because the girl helps up a stormtrooper, while the guy is fighting off tie fighters. A conflict of interests? Perhaps the light and the dark are resembled here.

I could be wrong. Maybe the black stormtrooper is a spy. Maybe she doesn't know he's a stormtrooper. Maybe in an effort to hide this from her, he runs out in the desert and she's looking for him. Who knows?

I generally think people are really hard core rushing to judgment about the Disney acquisition. Yes, Rebels may or may not suck (depends on your viewpoint, and honestly I haven't seen it), but TCW quite honestly sucked in my opinion, so it's not exactly hurting the status quo if it sucks. A lot of the EU was crap and I think they made a good call in removing it.

NumberWan · April 17, 2015

@@Cerez

Well, there have been several rumors now. All I can say is that it seems, they are not changing the EU 100%. They are reshaping it. I said that once, but the closest example would be the original story of Alexander the Great. Try the one, known in the Ancient times. Then there is another version - revised during the Middle Ages, which applied its reality to the story.

So Episode VII continues EU, not everything will end in the movie, we won't see Daala, Thrawn or other characters. But the movie surely has Jaina Solo, which will be known from a very different perspective. And the same applies to all others. Yavin IV academy remained a Rebel base even after the events of the OT. JO and JA show us that.

One of the rumors showed an interesting theory why none of the known young new characters in Episode VII bear the names of Skywalker, Organa or Solo.

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I might be running ahead, but the concepts leaked, that Yavin IV would indeed be what we expected it to be in the EU era.

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Well, Falcon is most likely. Corellia doesn't give any chills to the fans. I think the right example of the same case would be Indiana Jones IV, when Indy and his companion say "This won't be as easy as it used to be" or smth like that. This phrase is a call to the fans. It's not just that Han returned home - it is an opportunity for the fans to return to what they like the most, to the roots of Star Wars.

Unfortunately, this doesn't imply Tatooine either. Watched the Celebration Anaheim, they explained why.

@@eezstreet

It is true, that the main topic of father-son was shown from a perfect angle in the OT. I guess, the new films might continue the theme of family relations to the new areas. For instance, they might show us what it is like to be part of a complicated legacy, which divides people in opinions. We might remember Obi Wan Kenobi here, as he once said, that many things in the world depend upon one point of view or another.

The man behind the mask is always a theme of Star Wars, in OT it was Vader. In the prequels it was Darth Sidious. So this will continue with Episode VII. A few months ago it was mentioned that:

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While the trailers showed us the girl (Rey) and the pilot (Pomeron), I think they are indeed the grandchildren of Anakin Skywalker. And yes, there is a resemblance to Padme. Taking into account, how they were choosing people for the roles of parents of Anakin and Padme, I am pretty sure this is not a coincidence.

Some pictures, including variants of new Stormtroopers (!)

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Some people might like this:

This news suggests that the time after Episode VI is quite different than in the EU. That's why:

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Cerez · April 17, 2015

The new stormtrooper design looks silly/cartoony for a movie to me, but these new advanced trooper helmets look quite interesting!

It makes sense that the story of this movie would be something only remotely connected to the original trilogy, and the leaks you've mentioned here, @@NumberWan, do sound like a wise way to go storytelling a new chapter in the movie series -- without disappointing the fans.

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NumberWan · April 17, 2015

I actually enjoyed the theory on what's going on, from one of the forums.

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The film will start with Finn participating in an Empire mission with Kylo Ren in command, massacring and burning down a village (Stormtroopers being deployed to a village in trailer 1, Kylo Ren at the burning scene in trailer 2).

The mission makes Finn start questioning his moral stance and he decides to defect from the Empire. Traumatized and with blood on his hands, he returns to the star destroyer and shoots up his former allies with a TIE Fighter (seen in trailer 2) and attempts his escape.

He gets shot down over Jakku (opening shot to trailer 1, most likely the same planet where the village massacre took place), and he is left to search for refuge on his own.

He comes across Rey, who found Luke's lightsaber in her scavenging (as seen cleaerly in the third pic below). Finn recognizes the weapon as that of the infamous Luke Skywalker, the legend responsible for crippling the Empire (know your enemy and all).

This leads Rey and Finn to seek out Luke after discovering that Rey has a connection with the force (and possibly the Skywalker family). They head to the trader outpost seen in both trailers. The Chrometrooper is hellbent on taking out Finn, and leads a ruthless hunt for him (almost satisfying the role of bounty hunter, only under the Empire's command). And so, we have the scene in which TIE fighters bombard the trader outpost with the intention of taking out Finn (trailer 2).

They steal the Millennium Falcon and attempt their escape from Jakku, with the intention of rallying with the Rebel Alliance in another system. Mind you, the pilot chsing down the Falcon utilizes chrome armor.

Upon escaping, they meet with the leader of the Rebel Alliance, Leia, knowing she's Luke's sibling and that she may be able to assist in seeking him out. They get Luke's saber in her hands and she recognizes it as her brother's, legitimizing Rey and Finn's intentions. Before sending them out to seek him (and unsure of Luke's mental state), she provides them with companions who have history with Luke: Han and Chewie. "Chewie, we're home" implies that Han nor Chewie have commandeered the Falcon in a long time, effectively busting the theory that Han and Chewie help Rey and Finn get out of Jakku (that would be a bit too convenient). This approach also enables the film to reunite Han and Leia in a way that makes sense. Also, I'll have to guess that R2 and C3P0 are under the Rebel Alliance's supervision up to this point, and they're also sent along with Han and company aboard the Falcon (just like old times).

Regarding Kylo Ren, I suspect he senses a threat to the Sith and the Empire, one linked to the Skywalkers (and we all know what happens when you pit a Skywalker against the Empire). He seeks out the remains of Vader, somehow trying to narrow down who this person (Rey) is. This might be an opportunity to integrate the much-rumored flashbacks (featuring Vader and the younger versions of Luke and Leia). Kylo then sets out to destroy this potential threat to an already-wounded Empire. He will serve as the endgame villain.

And regarding Poe Dameron, I think he'll be utilized as a rival to Finn (former Stormtrooper against a patriotic X-Wing pilot). It will make for interesting drama and nice contrast between the Empire and Rebel causes.

A stray and completely unsupported guess is that Finn will kill the Chrometrooper (Captain Phasma played by Gwendoline Christie) to complete his respective arc, solidifying him as a good guy when tempted by her to turn against his new friends.

Source

It seems there is BLOOD in this scene (!). Also this is the beginning part of the film.

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Cerez · April 17, 2015

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And, guys, I'm a big Ahsoka fan, but if Ahsoka Tano makes an appearance in this movie, I am going to kill myself.

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Warning: could be a major spoiler!!

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NumberWan · April 17, 2015

I don't think Ahsoka would appear, though her steps, including the more recent ones might be "a single letter in the longer sentence" =)

The new movie follows the idea, that only the Galactic Civil War is remembered by some characters (I guess, younger ones have a scarce idea of that, while villains misinterpret the history on purpose for their ideals). So the Clone Wars is a very old conflict, which isn't remembered by most. With only a few moments popping up, like that the Republic was in crisis, there were clones and they were fighting someone, which involved the Jedi, which are all to be planed for the downfall of the old order.

Why do you think that wasn't Leia? Well, according to some spoilers, this scene is between Rey (the new female lead) and the new little alien, who would be helping the heroes (together with old veteran, who remembers both the Clone Wars and the Galactic Civil War, as he survived both of them (description from rumors) and BB-8).

As for the last of your edits. You are most likely right about link of Kira (Rey) to Leia, while about the name - that's still a secret.

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Two things reminded of KOTOR:

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dark_apprentice · April 17, 2015

SPOILER (not sure if it's true), but can be a good story line

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-7-spoilers-han-solo-kylo-ren/

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