Carcass.exe Bone Jitter

[therfiles]

Behaved because there are many things borked with it, and it would really be awesome to do some more advanced functions to make more dynamic scripts. Things like simple math, proper IF checks (many checks, including SET_WEAPON are borked), and just the ability to modify the SETs as new modding options become available.

[Archangel35757]

Behaved because there are many things borked with it, and it would really be awesome to do some more advanced functions to make more dynamic scripts. Things like simple math, proper IF checks (many checks, including SET_WEAPON are borked), and just the ability to modify the SETs as new modding options become available.

Sadly, I've never used it or done ICARUS scripting... rather than "borked" (remember-- you're calling their "baby" ugly) can you more eloquently describe the errors and shortcomings, desired improvements for it? Thanks. Having solid justification will help in our asking...

 

EDIT: we have a small window here (I imagine Ste will return from vacation after labor day holiday)... so it would be nice to have what tools' source we're missing and solid justification in our asking... I hope everyone agrees?

[therfiles]

Oh don't get me wrong, I love Behaved. It's my way of modding, and it stands up excellently for most applications. I just push it and push it and it's gotten to a point where I can't go any further, sadly.

 

I'd love to say more than just "borked" (sorry!) but I'm way out of my depth here. Simply put, I'd love to optimized it for JA, add new calculating abilities, and (in general) add new features as we code them into the game.

 

Sorry for my lack of technical expertise!

[Archangel35757]

@@therfiles... that doesn't really help me-- perhaps you can enlist the aid of other BehavED Scripters and describe what we as a community would like to improve on-- to overcome the roadblocks you're hitting?

[minilogoguy18]

I think what he's trying to get at is similar to why we need ShaderEd and EffectsEd, as new things are coded into the game we want the tool source to be able to keep the tool up to date with new features whatever they may be.

 

It's really awesome that they're going to release these things.

[Archangel35757]

I think what he's trying to get at is similar to why we need ShaderEd and EffectsEd, as new things are coded into the game we want the tool source to be able to keep the tool up to date with new features whatever they may be.

 

It's really awesome that they're going to release these things.

I have not asked for the other tools' source code yet... I was only communicating with Raven about carcass source code. @@eezstreet asked me to request all the other missing tools' source code-- which I will, but we should first look through th SoF2 and ST:EF Released source code to see what might already be in those SDKs (e.g. IBIze source should be in the ST:EF SDK). And having good justification is always a bonus.

 

[eezstreet]

What about Mac/Linux ports for tools?

[minilogoguy18]

Yeah, that right there is a good enough reason to get the source to all of the tools, we have enough Mac users in the community.

[Tempust85]

Whoa awesome! I wake up to great news!

[Guest KENNITHH]

Ask them for the SoF2 source code too if you'd like. If you dont , then still do ittttttt ';_;' !!

[Tempust85]

Yeah, sof2 code would be pretty cool. Could bring over its gore, hit map and viewmodel code over to jk:enhanced. Exploding into gibs from rockets and bombs is way more realistic.

[Guest KENNITHH]

But more weighting to do huaha and yea, i saw that JA's 1st person is a dissaster

[Archangel35757]

Ask them for the SoF2 source code too if you'd like. If you dont , then still do ittttttt ';_;' !!

Wasn't the SoF2 source code released? Or was that only the SDK? I would love to see some aspects merged into Jedi Knight.

[Xycaleth]

The SoF2 SDK was released, not the engine though

[Archangel35757]

The SoF2 SDK was released, not the engine though

Is this MP code incomplete? I see it states "Unofficial" --

http://soldieroffortune2.filefront.com/file/Unofficial_SOF2_103_MP_Source_Code;15375

 

Anyone know if James Monroe or Mike Gummelt worked on SoF2?

[Archangel35757]

@@KENNITHH, @@DT85, @@Xycaleth, @@eezstreet -- are there aspects of the SoF2 code that you want to integrate into Jedi Knight Enhanced? How is the SoF2 view model different/better?

 

EDIT: We should read through these gamasutra articles of Raven discussing the postmortem of their SoF and Jedi Knight games-- it sheds much light on lingering questions or tools they used... for example:

 

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/131541/postmortem_raven_softwares_.php?print=1

 

They did these postmortem articles on all their games it seems.

[Guest KENNITHH]

The SoF2 SDK was released, not the engine though

 

Exactly, if we have the full source, we can do a few more stuff like mounted weapons and graphical stuff , and ofcourse, SoF2 to mobile devices ^^

 

 

@@KENNITHH, @@DT85, @@Xycaleth, @@eezstreet -- are there aspects of the SoF2 code that you want to integrate into Jedi Knight Enhanced? How is the SoF2 view model different/better?

 

The one time I played JA, I really thought it looked terribly, could it be because there are no hands in 1p? Don't remember , and I think the positioning of the weapon was weird too imo, and ofcourse the models

 

 

My wish is to make SoF2 something similar to Bad Company 2 in map style but a bit smaller though + adding drivable vehicles like in JA

[Archangel35757]

@@KENNITHH -- mobile devices??? I doubt anyone cares to do that.

 

Looking at that Gamasutra Postmortem Raven article on SoF -- seems that Rick Johnson and Eric Biessman were the key Raven programming.g/designing directors.

 

@@eezstreet, @@Xycaleth, @@DT85 -- I'd love to request the SoF2 source and its XSI animations-- but Monroe/Gummelt may not be the right ones to ask... different teams, different empires. I could make an inquiry of Gummelt on who is the best POC to ask for SoF2 resources. What do y'all think?

[Tempust85]

Sof2 viewmodels use ghoul2, and have the ability to swap out different arm models while keeping the gun the same. It also has a reload system and prone for those interested.

[Archangel35757]

Sof2 viewmodels use ghoul2, and have the ability to swap out different arm models while keeping the gun the same. It also has a reload system and prone for those interested.

I would love to see this aspect implemented into Jedi Knight... but @@eezstreet didn't seem to want... but it sounds like what you're trying to achieve DT... so might be worthwhile to incorporate at least this part of SoF2 (if we could get the source)... It also sounds like they had better AI/squad tactics-- reading that postmortem I posted.

[eezstreet]

Most of the code for that stuff is within the SDK for SOF2. We don't really need anything further.

[redsaurus]

I'm not sure we can really use the SOF2 SDK stuff as it's not GPL though.

[Archangel35757]

I'm not sure we can really use the SOF2 SDK stuff as it's not GPL though.

the ghoul2 1st person in-view code? Why could that not be used?

[eezstreet]

I can independently confirm that they're working on getting Carcass source released. They're asking Rich if he still has Carcass source.

the ghoul2 1st person in-view code? Why could that not be used?

I already implemented this like 6mo ago. Just saying.

[Archangel35757]

I can independently confirm that they're working on getting Carcass source released. They're asking Rich if he still has Carcass source.

I already implemented this like 6mo ago. Just saying.

Guess I will request the other missing tools' source and JO XSI animation files tomorrow.