my attempt on Starkiller

[AshuraDX]

Well as @@ChalklYne is still strugglnig with his starkilelr model after nearly a year I thought I'd see what I can ome up with for starkiller

 

so ... uh does this look like him to anyone ?

 

it's far form being done anyway

[Futuza]

Too early to tell to be honest.

[ChalklYne]

i dunno dude i think i would need more angles to be able to tell whats going on.. at any rate the features of the face were modelled very well. the sunken in part of his cheeks right there has a less obvious transition from his cheek into his upper lip giving him that pouty look. he doesnt really have that valley there.. but besides that and his nose maybe too thin are all i can see. awesome stuff

 

what are u using for refs and rotoscopes?

[AshuraDX]

@@ChalklYne pretty much everything you were given i nyour thread , I'm using that "compilation" shot with various angels for my rotoscope

which I jsut use to get the basic shape , the rest is captured by looking at th eother higher res ref pics

[ChalklYne]

rite on. yeah id say besides that crevice under his cheek and maybe his cheeks are a bit puffy not sure

[AshuraDX]

@@minilogoguy18 @@Corto @@Psyk0Sith

any major crits before I continue ?

[Corto]

Always show a wirefarme shot. Looking very smooth so far, but there isn't much to criticize.

[AshuraDX]

@@Corto

ofc , forgot to attach that

the side of the nose looks quite funky in tht shot but it's allright

[minilogoguy18]

Yeah sometimes it's hard to really see the face without the rest of the head, finish up with the head then we'll take a look see.

 

I have a head of this guy too funny enough, I think I even posted a pic of it a few pages back.

[Psyk0Sith]

Looks pretty accurate to me, for an oldschool engine without normal maps, you'll have a pretty strong likeness, assuming your texture will have the same level of quality.
 
Some pointers:
 
-The direction of the nasolabial fold should be inwards (in the vid you have it curving back while it should loop down below the bottom lip)
-The width of the eyesocket at the top (where eyebrows end), that area should not be as wide as the rest of the skull. If you grab the top of your eyesockets between your thumb and middle finger and then move your hand back, you'll see the skull becomes larger as you go back. Once you have the whole skull built it might be ok, but you still need to have some forms in that area or else it'll look like frankenstein's forehead
-Push corners of the mouth in slightly, it's a common mistake to keep them almost flush with the lips.
-The puffy look of the cheek is because you made the whole area pretty much the same volume. If you take a look at a human skull, you'll see the cheekbone is actually closer to the eye and the area below is empty (filled by muscle), so in an athletic person you'd have that bone poking through and very little to no fat on top of the muscle.

-The mouth plane might need a bit of volume, looks too "duck" like.

-Shrink down the eyelids / eyes a bit. You get A+ for adding lacrymal glands by the way!

 

It's difficult to give anatomy feedback with words, but hopefully i was clear enough that you don't move away from your current path.

[AshuraDX]

 

once again I shout out to my masters : @@minilogoguy18 @@Psyk0Sith @@Corto @@DT85

and @@ChalklYne

[Corto]

It's clear that you don't lack modeling skills, but this head doesn't look like Sam Witwer at all. It can be fixed though since the mesh looks clean. Let's talk with a reference picture so it's easy to understand the main issues here:

 

 

Chin: Althoug the chin is wide and manly it's not wider than the mouth. The widest part is as wide as his mouth and it doesn't end so far on the jawline.

Cheeks and gaunt: The cheekbones kind of continues with the cheek gaunt, they don't stand out by themselves as a separate feature of the face. Here's a picture with a better angle to figure out what I mean.

Mouth: Just redo the mouth =P.

 

 

Eyes and brows: The eyes don't look so round, his lower eyelids look flatter than the upper eyelids. The lower part of the brows are bulgy, convex, not concave.

Ears: His ears are clearly bigger, tilted backwards (Psyko already pointed this out as a common mistake) and the lower part is more flappy (does that word even exists?).

 

 

Nose: The nose from the front looks ok, but when you see the side of it, it looks too perfect. The nostrils are a little taller (not wider) and the nose is more pointed.

 

The jawline looks quite alright and the rest could work if you figure out how to fix what I think are the main issues (which right now is your head doesn't look like Sam Witwer). I'll gladly start with the draw overs when we start talking about finer details.

[ChalklYne]

I'm feelin this one. Looks a bit off of course, but like corto said your mesh looks clean man just work out the finer details. Regardless it's going to turn out real nice and distort very well from the looks of it. Awesome man. 

[DT.]

@@Corto nailed it, only thing I have to contribute at this point is the distance between the top lip & nose is too much.

[Milamber]

I was gonna say that DT xD oh well, what the guys above me said, good model though.

[AshuraDX]

Allright , time to shift some vertices around

[AshuraDX]

@@Corto @@DT85 @@ChalklYne




any closer ? (right is the new version)
feel free to start paint overs

 

EDIT : I guess I'll test Silo on this once I got soe paintovers from you guys

[ChalklYne]

I would only say to take some meat out of the cheeks, and pull that crevace out a bit so he has a smoother transition from cheek to upper lip. Just as someone said about athletic people not having much meat there. Ill try and paint over it and show u what Im trying to convey

here...

 

 

 

 

 

Amazing work nonetheless very excited to see what you come up with

[AshuraDX]

[Szico VII]

Well I like it.

[DT.]

Now that you're in a sculpting program, I'll let this pic speak for itself in terms of helping you:

 

 

[AshuraDX]

I'm not really sculpting , I'm jsut shifting vertices , edges and sometimes entire faces around to get the facial structure right

[DT.]

Ah ok, well you should pickup a Zbrush trial and give it a go.

[AshuraDX]

did , but it was impossible for me to get used to that layout and I kept fucking my scenes up so I dropped it

I've been using sculptris a lot and I mgiht use silo'S sculpting tools even though they're pretty basic

[DT.]

Zbrush does take a bit getting used to for some (including me), but what you can do with it is worth learning. There's also Mudbox you can try.