katanamaru

I know the definitions of the saber forms. They are more a mentality to me then a set of animations. I think it is possible to use all 7 of the forms in base JO and JA, and that the player does so over the course of the playthrough.

Opinions are welcome.

Though your last statement is confusing to me:

"It (real sword styles) feels like it's just mostly for show and skill, whereas in Star Wars, it was to defend/kill." - Circa

That is actually 100% backwards to me. Real sword fighting is about surviving and killing where Star Wars is flash and excitement.

I'm kind of itching to make a saber style. I was planning on waiting till I got XSI figured out, but I'll need a new computer and an internet connection before I can seriously consider that. In the meantime I'll be in Dragon.

So which style would you all like to see?

I have ideas for Makashi (form II), a staff version of Djem So (form V), and a Dual's version of Niman (form VI).

Makashi

My inspiration for Makashi is Polish saber. I know a bit about saber fighting so I'll be using myself as reference.

Some vids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBTtq2Gzm6w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG-YAEQ7FLw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8Qt_9OpgYw

I have a basic style thought out and some ideas for an advanced style. The advanced style would incorporate attacks in the transitions and some counter attacks after blocks. That would give the players incentive to stay in close when fighting. Until we get the process figured out on how to add saber styles I will replace Tavion or Dessan's style.

Staff Djem So

The main idea behind this style is to look like something Exar Kun would use. This would be a single handed staff style utilizing very broad movements. It is going to be pretty basic and the attacks are going to be focused more in front, but the nature of the staff makes it cover a large area.

These pics are WIP and I'm happy to take suggestions.

Jar'Kai Niman

I wanted to make a less flashy dual saber style. This could go one of two ways. One, would be having both sabers attack along the same line and using both sabers to block the sides. The other is a one saber attacks and the other covers the exposed side. I'd also throw counter attacks into the defense. That would look a bit funny when defending against blasters.

I wanted to make this one before but lost interest in animating at the time. I could make this one work with JO models as well if people want. That means the left hand may have to move in unrealistic ways since there is no left hand tags on JO models.

These styles would all work better without spins in the transitions. Until we get new styles added to the game I'll have to use spins wherever they are used in the styles I replace.

Are you sure? You may be thinking of a mod, because I know from importing and messing with them that in base JA there are no breathing stances. The ones I'm working on now don't have breathing either, but I'll go back and add it in later.

Ok I got some work no my 'two other things.' I should have a post about them Thursday night. So the next thing I'll work on is the saber on and stand1.

Blah. Stuff keeps coming up. I'm going to do some things tonight. Hopefully get the saber on and two other things. Maybe then work on stand1.

I have no idea if JO can do specific animations for characters. Though I would suspect so. I'll see if I can work on this and see what it takes. It may be awhile since I have some other things to work on as well.

Much better. So I'd say stick with the zbrush head and just move slowly.

I also approach this game as a more one-on-one fight or a one-on-few fight type of game. If your powers are based around fighting lots of enemies at once then they may work out better. In JA SP a 'large' fight in the base game is the Korriban levels. Those were: the player, 1-3 allies, 1-3 Sith.  

Fantastic work! That's some really great progress!

BTW: did you need me to look into getting Dragon to work with JO still? I didn't get to it yet because of car problems and such, but you have new animations in JO now.

I think that was just the ZBrush head with textures. I don't think that was ever going to be the finished product. Just a textured reference picture.

I don't have time right now to go into too much detail, but I'll give it a go.

I don't think breath and poison are neccessary. Poison isn't that good. Why wait for the poison effect to kill someone when you can use other powers that do more damage up front or a saber/saber throw? Breath is only a counter to poison. You could take any of the heals to counter it instead.

Same for scream and stasis. They are neat, but not really neccessary. I'l only take 1 rank in either. Stun an opponent and then hit them with a saber. I could see teams taking this power and just using it all the time.

Revitalize (better to be called Resurrect) and kill also not so good. For sp it takes the disadvantage of an ally dieing away. Besides with all the healing powers you shoule be able to keep npc's alive. Kill just seems lame. A super grip basically. Why take grip when you can take kill?

Whirl is just one of the stunning powers. So once again people will just group up and spam it.

Battle Precognition is just invincibility to everything except sabers. Too cheep.

I didnt' talk about the stats like 2 force points a second because that's something that would have to be play tested.

Go back to page 23, post 456 by Milamber.

Before I go into that how about cleaning up your list and making it JA friendly? Things like 'saving throws' are not in JA. Nor are levels or ranks besides the 3*'s you can get.

Make a lock on function. You could make it to be a cone of sorts so there was a little wiggle room.

If others are interested then I say go for it.

Personally I do not like the idea. JA's saber system feels the most natural to me compared to my fencing style.

Aha! So you are just showing the powers from KOTOR and wanting to know if we would think they would be a good idea for JA. Some yes and some no.

I'm not sure of the timeline, but in Crosscurrent Jaden is in his 40's and starting to get graying hair.

There were so many things wrong with that book. It was painful to read parts of it. At the end I straight up called bullshit.

Well one slightly messed up mission vs. every stromtrooper comander is really the issue.

If the pros outweigh the cons in his mind then it's all good.

A fix for that would be to give the Tuskens their own .gla via the hex method. That would be fine since they aren't in any cutscenes.

I have been using the tusken sniper rifle and replacing the tusken taunt animation with the cool soldier signalling animation  and replacing the tuskenrifle model to a e11

for a tough storm commander who signals to his troops and commands them, then melees you if you get too close, this makes the npc's much more interesting to fight. 

That's a really good idea.

Does that mean he shoots like the tusken, or did you change it's rate of fire and such in the weapons.dat file?

Excellent news! I guess I'll pick up a text book or self-help book then.

Woot! How about a compatability patch with Toshi/DT85 Luke 2.o?

What else do I not know?!

So I found out just a few days ago that if you make a folder in your base folder with ext_data/npcs you can put npcs there without making a pk3. This blew my mind! I was using an npc that I thought was in a different folder and couldn't find them in the base folder, but found the file there. So I made a new one for a test and confirmed it. Probably works with sabers too.

Kinda what I figured. I like the prequel jedi robes just fine, but I like the idea of the tunic, combat suits, or just clothes for the new jedi order more.