Xioth

Why was Corran Horn never featured in the game, as well?

Well, I mean, it's Luke. Everyone wants to play as the bad-ass Jedi Master.

bump

Yeah, it's in Riptide, apparently.

No they wouldn't, the Jedi can barely hold off their own cosmic beings who aren't really all that powerful in the grand scheme of things. Most powerful beings in SW are the Bedlam Spirits, and not, in fact, the ones. Bedlam spirits can manipulate time, space, and reality, and Cthulu would eat them for breakfast.

Did you know Jaden Korr is 14 in Jedi Academy?

I know there's an open-world JKA mod, but an MMO? Nah, I don't think it can happen. Game can't handle something like that.

Thats fine, take as much time as you want, it'll make it that much sweeter when it's finally completed.

Yeah same here dude, no hard feelings.

Those all look gorgeous. Fantastic work.

Looks great man, in all honesty.

Yes, but you don't have the right to insult me and barrage me with tons of messages saying that I'm a shithead for criticizing someone's work. Just because you think it's okay doesn't mean everyone else will, and you shouldn't make them feel like shit for doing so. It's over and done with now, last message was sent hours ago, drop it.

Because you guys started with me, I did nothing wrong and all of a sudden I wake up and am barraged by comments. Stop it.

I am grateful that we do, but I'm not gonna praise everything I see. If ya'll are gonna keep it up, so am I. I'm going to be adamant in my opinion, I am not wrong, and I wasn't wrong in anything I said earlier. I'm gonna give criticism on things, as I should, as YOU or anyone should. You are acting like babies, god forbid, I said the hands weren't weighted well, sacrilege. THE HANDS AREN'T WEIGHTED WELL! They just aren't, I'm not gonna say it's a perfect model when it isn't. This website needs a reality check. The sad part is, Jeff wasn't even that upset, notice how he and I were having a civil conversation instead of getting angry and insulting one another. I respect Jeff and the work he does, I just wish he (and pretty much everyone else), strived their absolute hardest to do their best work on everything, big or small, so then we wouldn't have to "bitch", in the first place. If you try your best and work the hardest on models instead of just doing what you're happy with, then you're making people happy while making yourself better, with every little thing you do, you're slowly improving yourself over time, and thats worthy of praise. Not just anyone can port, it's a hard feat for sure, but the reason why I got so bent out of shape is because people are just happy leaving it all messed up weight-wise and whatnot. People are just like "It functions, deal with it", er... no? Thats just stupid and is holding us ALL back, its the mindset that everyone should praise everything thats holding us back. I saw no one talking to Ashura even when everyone else was praising it, they were honest about it, thing is, they were pointing out even tinier details then I was, ones that were barely visible and didn't stick out, and yet when I point out a clearly visible flaw in the model, everyone jumps on me like I'm a douche for pointing it out? No. I criticized the model, get over it, the hands are messed up, its noticeable, it sticks out, thats all I said, and all I'm saying.

This is getting really out of hand. Let's just all agree to disagree, you guys think it's nitpicking, I think it's constructive criticism, no more arguing because it's just turning into a "who's right, who's wrong" thing, I was just trying to make a point. But of course I am gonna stick up for myself when called an "ungrateful prick".

No, I responded to something Ashura said, because it seemed like he wanted to do work on it. (At the time, though our convo did prompt me to ask him, which again, shouldn't be a problem that I simply asked a question.) Then Punisher said about how the model works in SP, and I was saying there was nothing wrong with the model functionally, but that the hands weren't weighted correctly, and that its kinda hard to overlook something like that when it's pretty obvious and would stick out, to me anyway.

How much time that was put into something does not make it immune to criticism, if there is something wrong, I have a right to comment on it, no matter how small it is, it's not nitpicking, it IS constructive criticism. When the hands don't wrap around the saber it's going to stick out like a sore thumb, and I can't honestly see how someone can see it and be like "Oh yeah, but he did his best", because I find it very, very hard to believe a normal-sized model can't have his hands wrapped around a saber when, even with what I do know, which is basically nothing, that he can. That pretty much any normal-sized model can, provided their hands are actually hands and not claws or something. That is something worth pointing out, it's something worth bringing up, just because you guys think it's okay, doesn't mean that no one has the right to say anything about it. I'm not being smug, you all just don't want people criticizing people's work and you wanna put people down for voicing their opinions unless they're someone who knows what they're doing. I guarantee if I was an experienced modeler and I said the same exact thing, you'd all be agreeing with me right now, but since I don't have the experience to do so, you like to act like it's wrong for me to comment on it since "I can't do any better, so I shouldn't say anything." "Do it yourself" is a way to get out of doing work, I understand this is a past-time, not a job, no one is "owed" a model or such, but thats like saying "hey can you do me this favor", "no, do it yourself", if that happened you'd be calling that dude an asshole right off the bat, and if he had friends with him saying the same thing, that'd be borderline bullying. But we're on JKHub, where thats just okay to do, its an excuse to make someone look like a douche just because they asked for more, for improvement, and you shouldn't put someone down for asking for improvement. IMO, I'd be happy, it'd give me more opportunities to improve my skills while making tons of people happy that I'm putting these top-class models out. I am excellent with adding support for certain things, I work with what I get, every model that I've been given, I've re-uploaded onto moddb and added all kinds of support for Tulak Hord, going above and beyond for people who might want more out of the model, doing way more then I'd ever HAVE to do, because it's what PEOPLE what, not what I want. NPC support, SP support, all these things are quick and easy for me, and I am great with stuff like that, I've even figured out how to add effects to weapons and change their colors, but when it comes to modeling, nothing, absolutely nothing, has helped me, because I straight up can't comprehend it. It doesn't mean I'll ever give up or that I'll ever stop trying. But in all honesty it is rather overwhelming. You don't have to believe me if you don't want to, what I said was true. I am honest, I'm not nitpicking, what I pointed out were legitimate criticisms.

Alora isn't super fleshed out, so probably her, but a close second would be Rosh.

I'm allowed to criticize things. There's nothing wrong with criticizing something when it's not done well, no offence. Everyone is just like "well you should just be happy it exists at all", thats not how it works, what might be okay for one person might not look the best to another person, I've never once gone out of my way to be rude to you, or to Jeff, but I have an opinion and I am going to share it, if I feel like a port wasn't done as well as it could have been, I'm going to say so, and there's nothing wrong with that, and if you people have a problem with criticism then in all honesty, you shouldn't be on the internet. You also don't have to port models yourself, but all I'm saying is, if you're gonna port something, at least port it with effort put into it, because then later on, you have people like me, AshuraDX, and others criticizing models, so it's better to do it right the first time, not that it's done wrong, it's just not done as well as it could be, and the reason why is because I know Jeff can do much better. I am not an ungrateful prick, this website can't handle criticism, I'm going to criticize others work, and just because I don't know how to port or just because I don't know how to do it myself, doesn't give me any less right to criticize then any of you have the right to. I have been attacked over and over again and people think I'm an asshole when all I ask is for a bit of an effort. "Well just do it yourself." Yeah, okay, true, I could do that. But why not just do it well enough so people don't have to worry about "doing it themselves". Why not do what everyone would like to do, as opposed to just focusing on whatever you're cool with. I promise you, if I was an experienced modeler, I would take requests from randoms every day doing whatever model they wanted whenever they wanted. I know not everyone is like that, and I'm not asking them to be, but for attacking someone for having an opinion on a model is just stupid. Sure it'd take a long time but knowing that I was pleasing everyone and giving people what they wanted would just keep giving me motivation to continue doing them. I was actually extremely surprised that almost no one does modeling requests, hell, people barely do port requests. We want to grow this community and make it as big and as large as it can possibly ever be, why are we settling for "ok"? We could have far superior models then what we already do if people pushed themselves. I'm not saying it's not difficult as is, I'm sure it's very difficult and taxing, BUT, when it's finally done and when you've put all that effort into it, you've really shown what you can do, and show that you're really putting effort into all your models, and its going to pay off. Sure there will be criticisms, but thats NORMAL, there'll always be criticisms, but there will be a lot less to complain about when there... well, isn't much to complain about. But we encourage too much... well, encouragement, when, if we don't like something, we should be allowed to say "needs work" and then telling why it needs work, and for people like me, thats saying "well you should work on the hands a bit, could be better", and that does NOT make me an asshole. People like me being people who don't understand blender or 3ds Max, or XSI. In my humble opinion, yes, when something isn't weighted correctly, it wasn't done right, thats my opinion and people can't stop me from feeling that way, there's no right or wrong in that, and to say someone is wrong for thinking that the model isn't presentable enough because of weighting issues, is, well, wrong. You shouldn't put someone down for constructive criticism. But at the same time when you ask people to get into modelling and porting, you ask them to take hours and hours out of their day everyday to do this, when they're just starting out, some people don't have the time to EVER learn how to do these things, and some people, even with tutorials, can't figure them out. Looked over every tutorial on this website and others, and not once have I even begun to figure out how to do any of it, not even the tiniest bit of it. Hell I have trouble even OPENING UP a model in blender, and this is after studying multiple tutorials over and over and over, I have no idea how to do it, and I doubt I'll ever figure it out, whether in 10 years or 20 years, I still am adamant I'll have absolutely no idea how to use blender to even PORT let-alone model. You guys think I haven't tried? Haven't tried as HARD as I could to figure out these programs? I just can't... I have tried and tried and tried, I've looked up video tutorials and all the tutorials on here and I just can-not figure it out. You people need to start taking criticism, and stop taking it to heart when someone criticizes your work. For now on, I am not going to hold back, if I think something isn't done correctly, I am going to speak up about it, and if you don't agree with that, thats on you, you can call me an ungrateful prick or an asshole all you want, its not going to change me or my opinion.

How it looks. Fingers should wrap around the saber, always, if they don't then the model just isn't presentable enough to be used, imo. I feel a model shouldn't have weighting issues personally before its released to the public.

Forgot about this, does that mean you're going to end up fixing up the Scourge model yourself? Jeff mostly makes these for stuff he feels like playing with in multiplayer and it kinda sucks for us SP players who just feel like acting out battles by themselves.

Well, if Desolous is ported, not much effort is going to be put into him. Ports are generally frowned upon and you're lucky if a character has his hands weighted correctly, meaning his hands will sit there, not even clutching his lightsaber. The Wii model has 20k verts, it needs 10k or less to work correctly. Jeff tried working on the Wii model and it was starting to get visible holes due to the amount he had to work down the model.