Nah I've cleaned it up quite a bit. I was still learning back then. hell I'm still learning now, but I know how to not waste tris XD You are welcome to poke around at any models if you'd like though and lend any assistance, I would be honored in fact. But have you seen the troopers?! That EVO to be around 3,300 tris or so is just a masterpiece for my standards dude. As well as the Jump. I waste nothing! lol Also, you and I have separate opinions as to what exactly is "wasted" sometimes.Meaning sometimes I would send people a model to proof read it, and they'd be like "alpha map this instead of modeling it in", or "texture this in instead of modeling it in", and it ends up saving maybe 10 tris and looks shit XD Point being, If I keep all the players under 4000 tris or so I shouldn't have a problem you're saying? Because that is a huge wave of relief. Also, remember that that exterior piece I sent you was all screwy because I duplicated like everything while trying to do something I can't remember, but even that was just a huge brainfart, not shoddy modeling man. I se ewhat you are insinuating though and would love to throw you a model so you can show by example all of my wastedness =P And about just editing base or HS not really what I was going for. I wanted my own wave of custom armor to go with the canonical accessories So they still are recognizable as EVO's and Jump's, but with sleeker more iron-man/batman like armor. Matter of fact, I'll just post really nice wireframes of each real quick and we'll see where we stand with all this speech of epic wastedness and lay that shit to rest XD