eezstreet

@@SiLink

Tip: hit F11 while in a menu, developer 1 and using any debug build of OpenJK. The game will draw lines around every element onscreen and display the exact position of your cursor onscreen.

That's a good idea. But as I said before, I can see some negative side effects. I'll gladly throw likes and names into the hat though.

Who? I don't see any.

(my response was to @@SiLink's first post)

That confuses me too. I think a more appropriate title would be "Best JKA Modders" that way it leaves it more open for interpretation. Or perhaps writing out a little disclaimer, I dunno. I definitely wouldn't discredit the people on your list (except Tim and Slider) but some people (such as razorace) do really deserve to be on a Top List of All Time.

Tobe_One: made awesome skins such as his Shiva skin, Dracula. He was the lead skinner of Neo Dark Ages. Deathspike: Made SAC, initial progress towards JKG and one of the best reverse-engineer people (if not the best) in all of JKA. Servers are much more secure due to his work. Xycaleth: JAPhys, JAVisPlus, rend2, JKG, MB2, ... even posted in this thread. He's literally everywhere. razorace: one of the coding pioneers and founders of OJP. some others worth putting up redsaurus: Numerous, numerous Mac helps for OpenJK and MB2. Santa hat mod. Was cited by Raven Software as being one of the people that convinced them to release code. RenegadeOfPhunk: created MB2 Toast: made Makermod Ensiform: responsible for thousands of fixes to OpenJK and OJP including rend2 Scooper: maintained Makermod and has helped many people out Didz: JA master server backup plan, in the event the master goes down Darth Norman: many good quality maps Pande: also many quality maps, in JKG Rich Whitehouse: Hydrobsll and lead developer of JK2 + JKA's MP sections RichDiesal: Mapping academy and Kamino Platform mrwonko: Blender GLM importer/exporter ent: jaMME (big boon for frag videos) RevanDark: Several weapon packs of high quality, some of which made it into JA+'s client. Eclipse: wrote key tutorials on Softimage. Vincent Valentine model. ShroomDuck: Country Roads 1 + 2, Hail the Boognish, Country Academy, and several other maps which were highly influential minilogoguy18: many many tutorials and good quality models AngelModder: Titanic, Darth Vader, numerous other models RoboPhred: developed Lugormod T2 and up

Tim and Slider are on there, but no Tobe_One, Deathspike, Xycaleth or razorace? Tim and Slider are like #2 and #3 worst

So what the hell is your point, exactly? I'm struggling, I really am.

Selfishness is the opposite of selflessness. I'm saying that everyone is at least a little bit selfish. Yes, even me.

You do realize that JKA and JK2 are both licensed products of LucasArts, right? As in, LucasArts told Raven that they could make the game (in fact, they were the ones to approach them, I believe), and LucasArts in turn takes a cut of Raven Software's profit from the game...that's generally how these things work. It isn't plagiarism or stealing of any ideas. Do you think that the concept of Jedi Knight 2 existed, that there was a Jedi Knight 2 before Raven made it? Of course not. But I'll stop here, because someone out there will say, "but eezstreet, what about songs that are remakes of other songs? what about remakes of old movies?" <-- most of the time these are given the blessing of the original creator, are public domain (something which Star Wars is definitely not in the category of) or have paid money out to the original creator. But this doesn't happen all the time. That's why you ask for permission fully.

Nobody is completely selfless.

erm what guise lets make a kotor movie using original kotor assets in udk (cuz graficks u no) promise we wont get sued it'll be so easy common guise

Indeed. But I still think that Tobe_One should be recognized. A truly phenomenal skinner.

*shrug* I really don't like the concept of a thread or "hall of fame" for modders. It kinda breaks the whole intrinsic value of modding. Instead of people wanting to mod because it's fun, I think people will mod for the recognition, which isn't a great thing if you ask me. Kinda like how a whole bunch of people got onto the whole indie/UDK/Unity scene once the potential $$$ in doing so became known to the public.

Our reaction was: "this list stinks, it needs more people on it"

? What were you expecting exactly?

Tobe_One Azymn RenegadeOfPhunk Deathspike redsaurus razorace

fs_dirbeforepak 1, people.

The tone-mapping is pretty good but it would be better with maps that supported the feature.

Tavion: Over Desann: Powered

DoF doesn't exist on the renderer. (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though)

nooo u broek the graficks

pls StringED release, don't even want source

It's illegal for him to distribute game assets. Maybe illegal to use the Star Wars name too, but it depends on how it's advertised. If it's advertised as a game ported to the platform, it's illegal (I think?), but if it's advertised as a game loader then he should be in the clear. But this is a really complicated situation.