Bek Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Guys forgive me for multi-posting please! I just want to present a new saber with each post, which keeps you all updated and the whole forum can see when I post something new... some people have been writing to me if I gave up already heh that's not the case. Anyway, today is a good day. I found time to do one more saber, and this one in particulary is my favorite! I'm kinda oldschool, you know. Luke's Lightsaber Mine: Original: In-game: You did fantastic work right here!! the only thing I would suggest is that you make the top of Luke's saber more cylindrical, but besides that I can't think of anything.. I would have to test it out in -game to find any bugs or whatever. Great job!! Rooxon and GPChannel like this Link to comment
Circa Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 @@Rooxon great work. I'm wondering if the better option here would be to make the saber more like the one in the movies, rather than making it look like the one in the game. The developers did an awful job recreating it. I like the JA version (aka your version) but not as a recreation of Luke's saber. Omicron likes this Link to comment
Rooxon Posted May 6, 2014 Author Share Posted May 6, 2014 @@Rooxon great work. I'm wondering if the better option here would be to make the saber more like the one in the movies, rather than making it look like the one in the game. The developers did an awful job recreating it. I like the JA version (aka your version) but not as a recreation of Luke's saber.Well, no problem, really. I'll do an alternative version.. or better said, movie-like, it will be optional in the pack does this work for you or do you think I schouldn't include this recreation at all? @ you're my mate, don't worry... when I have all the sabers test-ready, you'll be the first to get them before I release them, as per usual. @@Circa just to be clear, you mean something like this, no? Bek likes this Link to comment
Circa Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 @@Rooxon yeah. Although there already have been a few excellent ones made. A good one I like is in this pack: https://jkhub.org/files/file/1711-star-wars-hilt-pack/ So if you want to make your own movie version, go for it. But I guess it wouldn't be necessary since we have many great ones already. Link to comment
Rooxon Posted May 6, 2014 Author Share Posted May 6, 2014 @@Circa You know what, I agree. This pack's saber is quite good, only my texture would differ, I'd make it a bit worn out. But all together, it's a bit of detail work, nothing too hard. I bet my model would look somewhere the same as this. Might try, but now that I've seen this, I don't think so. Do you have any other input on my ongoing plan? I'd really like to hear what you think. When I looked at the picture of the movie-saber, I got an idea and added a neat detalied enviroment map to the saber... this is the result, Luke's lightsaber (JKA version (as per wisdom of Circa )) Link to comment
Circa Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 @@Circa You know what, I agree. This pack's saber is quite good, only my texture would differ, I'd make it a bit worn out. But all together, it's a bit of detail work, nothing too hard. I bet my model would look somewhere the same as this. Might try, but now that I've seen this, I don't think so. Do you have any other input on my ongoing plan? I'd really like to hear what you think. I still think you should wait to release them all in one pack, don't split them up. Not sure if that's still your plan or not. Link to comment
Rooxon Posted May 6, 2014 Author Share Posted May 6, 2014 (edited) I still think you should wait to release them all in one pack, don't split them up. Not sure if that's still your plan or not.Oh no, you misunderstood. Of course I plan on doing and releasing 2 packs, I wrote so a few posts back, the Dual Sabers pack and the Misc Sabers pack, also wrote what they include. I'm saying I would add the movie version as an optional file to the pack... so anyone who downloads could try my version or the movie one. That's what I meant before.. you know... like an addon, which I already featured in some of my mods. The misc saber pack will contain an additional PK3 which adds some of the sabers to the SP menu with a modified string file, which means that it will become kinda incompatible with some other mods that add sabers to the game... that's why I'll add that optionally in a map inside the zip file when I release it. Concerning Luke's saber, I've even further corrected shaders, this time the spec map. I turned the saturation almost to the top, to gain this... beautiful effect: This one is fully done now. ^^ One more thing, now all that's left for this pack are the Sith sword and scepter. Any ideas or wishes even before I start drafting them? This is a question to ANYONE. Oh, and I heard there's a limit to how many sabers you can add to the menu.. is that true? and what is the limit? Edited May 6, 2014 by Rooxon Omicron, Barricade24, Bek and 1 other like this Link to comment
Omicron Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Having the scepter as a staff hilt could be pretty cool Rooxon likes this Link to comment
Rooxon Posted May 10, 2014 Author Share Posted May 10, 2014 Heyaa well it's finally weekend and today I've got some time for my dear JKA mods. Those of you interested, I've already started working on newer Kyle's saber and I've added a control box and two buttons to the reborn's stinger, I'm playing with the textures to get out the most of it, trying different shaders, you know... I'm trying to use the whole potential out of JKA's engine, I'll probably use anything it allows for my sabers to look good.. well, it's not like my options are that wide, heh Anyway, keep checking back, I'll edit this post with further progress pics, @ possibly you'll even get a pack for bug-search before I release it! maybe two! though I still haven't got a good idea on how to do the sith sword and scepter... gonna draw some things now and maybe post here for you to decide which way I'll remake them.Additionally, I have a question. Something's been bothering me. Today I found out JKA doesn't allow normal maps, though I'll be damned if it isn't true that once I KNOW I had a mod that used them... dunno if it worked, though, It was quite a few years back, can't remember. Having the scepter as a staff hilt could be pretty cool Well seeing as it schould look, I totaly agree. Actually it would look wierd any other way, to me at least. Link to comment
AshuraDX Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 your work reminds me of some of my older hilts , I think you should try to use the famous noise + motion blur combination in a more subtle way , so far the brushed steel effect is to strong and blurry, the later could be fixed quite easily ,just try this :1. open your PSD in photoshop2.go to : edit/copy merged3.paste your copy as a new layer4.use filter/sharpen/sharpen on that new layer5. adjust opacity to your liking Link to comment
Rooxon Posted May 10, 2014 Author Share Posted May 10, 2014 Your work reminds me of my working style also, you know I read your whole thread about the starkiller model, you're just the same as me. You were posting mid-progress, asking for opinions, move verticles around... you can look it up here, I was doing the same and I haven't known about your work yet then Yeah a sharpened layer does the trick, but if you looked at the arbiter, it's like that because I've mistakenly downsized the texture to 512x512 and lost the original PSD. That's why it looks awfull in the pics on the first post. Anyhow I'll try to redraw it again, maybe looking a bit more toned like the original... the upper part silver and not black like mine is.... AAAAND I'll show you what I do to get sharpness, it's one of my own routines I've come up.1. I need everything I've drawn on one single layer, which means I merge them.2. I apply filter/sharpen/sharpen (same as you, now I'd need to play with the opacity)3. I apply filter/stylize/emboss at 2px height and 150%4. I set the blending of this layer to overlay (or soft light, depends on which looks better)5. if needed I use image/adjustments/levels so that details don't stand out too muchEt voila! Try this out, it gives really a special realistic feel to the tex and it makes the sharpness a bit better than the classic sharpen filter. Link to comment
AshuraDX Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 I just do copy merged and paste that as a new layer to get everything on one layer which keeps the other layers intact and allows me to do quick changesI have to say I dont reallyl ike the result your method delivers that much , but it mgiht work in some cases Link to comment
Rooxon Posted May 12, 2014 Author Share Posted May 12, 2014 Oh I'm sorry @@AshuraDX I use it only on my own drawn textures, it does add realism that way. It looks hideous if you use it on any other pictures, anything that isn't drawn by hand. For example, things that you've drawn with simple techniques, like lines... undetailed metal, such things. Or an upsized picture of anything gets the part of detail the normal sharpen filter lacks. I forgot to mention you need both layers, the sharpened one, copy paste it when it's sharpened and THAN use emboss and so on. But in case of an upsized pic, I also copy-paste it once more (under both layers, the sharpened and emboss one) and give it a facet filter. Makes image seem sharper, lines are nicer... you probably know what I meanGuys I'm sorry I had a major accident and I can't really see good with my left eye. That's why nothing's come up even though I said I will.. well today and tomorrow I get to stay home because of it, I hope I'll finish both my planned packs and send them over to @ by the evening tomorrow for testing. Bek likes this Link to comment
Barricade24 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 How serious was the injury? Nothing too bad, I hope. Link to comment
AshuraDX Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 damn , get well buddy I tried your method at my skiff textures that are 50% painted and 50% baked - did not look too great as embossing every little crack and such certainly doesn't work too wellwhat I like to do with handpainted ,that are supposed to look painted, textures is using the find edges filter at a merged copy, desaturate that layer and set its blendmode to multiply which gives a neat AO effecthere's an example on hwich I applied said trick :sadly I dont have the PSD anymore , this is a tileable rock texture I made for Minecraft , ingame the grass overlay at the dirt textures there is temporary Botdra and Barricade24 like this Link to comment
Rooxon Posted May 12, 2014 Author Share Posted May 12, 2014 Yeah I'm slowly seeing again... @@Barricade24 It was nothing too serious at first, I was grilling for dinner and got a bit too much smoke into the face... the eye was still more or less ok then, the problems started yesterday when I suddenly couldn't see on the right eye, everything was blurry and also, when I woke up, my eye was... like glued together.. I'm a bit better today, went to the doctors immediately, he treated the eye perfectly and I also got eyedrops I have to use 3 times per day, control check in 1 week but I think there's no reason for panicking, soon I'll be tip-top okay.Okay and now off of my medical record, tonight I'm starting doing the two sith weapons.@@AshuraDX Yes that's why I play with the levels... and It looks gorgeous, I'll try to show it to you today as I'll be doing the sith sword and scepter. And yes, if I wanted to make textures seem painted, I also mainly use the find edges filter on a merged copy But the dust&Speckles is a nicer choice, as the effect is almost the same and you can customize it any way you need. If I need a quicker choice of dust&speckles, I use filter/stylize/facet Now you wonder why I'm telling you that. Explanation: I found that trick I initially told you about this way; I upsized the textures of the sabers to 1024x1024, zoom set to 66,67%. I first copyied the whole layer, sharpened and embossed it + desaturation (doesn't really matter, the effect just looks a bit cleaner). Than after that I made a copy of the original layer and applied the facet filter to it. At this point I went to compare the layers, and after a while I left the original layer, the facet one set to 60% and the emboss to 70%, also leveled the lightness a bit.The look of the effect was simply gorgeus and the pic looked like it was perfectly upscaled and sharpened. I'm gonna show you what I mean, of course at first it looks hideous, you gotta make those outstanding cracks/folds disappear. AshuraDX likes this Link to comment
Omicron Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Good to hear that it will be getting better Rooxon likes this Link to comment
Bek Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Something similar like that happened to me once, though it wasn't as bad as that, glad to hear your'e better Link to comment
Bek Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 damn , get well buddy I tried your method at my skiff textures that are 50% painted and 50% baked - did not look too great as embossing every little crack and such certainly doesn't work too wellwhat I like to do with handpainted ,that are supposed to look painted, textures is using the find edges filter at a merged copy, desaturate that layer and set its blendmode to multiply which gives a neat AO effecthere's an example on hwich I applied said trick :sadly I dont have the PSD anymore , this is a tileable rock texture I made for Minecraft , ingame the grass overlay at the dirt textures there is temporary Minecraft on a Jka modding website @@AshuraDX, shame Link to comment
Rooxon Posted May 12, 2014 Author Share Posted May 12, 2014 Hehe well he/she's just given an example, let it be @ Though you're right too on the other hand... I never really played minecraft, I like the concept but... Dunno, it's just not appealing. Damn boxes everywhere.Anyway, a few screens today... These are just the models, I'll keep this and the scepter's textures a surprise for the release as I'm really going to put effort into it... this means also time, which I have a lot due to being home because of the eye. For now I have finished the sword, awaiting texturing, and modeling the scepter. I'll update as soon as I have something though I'm feeling a bit tired -.-Sith Sword:Original (Recolored) This is the way I'll reference the texture I'm going to draw. I just think that this is more suitable for a sith than the original colors, though I may do that as an addon. New model: New top of the model: Sith Scepter:New model Guys, I've been thinking. Maybe overthinking, anyway... You're all probably experts as to how the engine in JKA works, is it possible that some people could have lagging because of my models and high-res textures? It's just something I'm utterly eager about. Also, any chance to bypass the polycount limit? Bek likes this Link to comment
AshuraDX Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 oh please dont go by the "the sith are evil so I should make it black&red" clichee , PLEASE !stay closer to the original scheme or atleast dont use such a bright , strongly saturated red , go with a copper tone or something , or reddish brassofftopic : I'm a guy and also @ Bek likes this Link to comment
Rooxon Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share Posted May 13, 2014 Allright I guess I can't argue that.. It's true black&red is quite a stereotype choice. Hm, now I need serious help. The two models are texturing-ready, but now I saw in the folder 2 md3 files, sith_scepter and sith_scepter_hand. Now, I can't look at how the tags are positioned and how to turn my own saber so it'll work together nicely... Those two are probably needed only in cutscenes, right? Like when Tavion is shooting out of the scepter or at the final battle light side, as she pulls the sword out of the scepter... has anyone any advice how I could easily do that? Link to comment
AshuraDX Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 get noesis and convert the md3'S to something else Link to comment
Rooxon Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share Posted May 13, 2014 I've just compiled them to gml and looked at the positions of the tags there (sorry I even asked what to do, didn't think of it sooner), though this is gonna take a few retries, I'll do it this way. I think I have to make the saber face left with the top, the right spike being on the tag_weapon tag and flash being where it is for the scepter.Update: Models are texture ready. Today I'm going to a huge party here in our country, tomorrow morning I'm going to start texturing those.Model comparison; you can clearly see what I changed, what is downsized... and so on Link to comment
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