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They don't compare when you're talking about console. A significant chunk of people with consoles do not have the harddrive space to keep large games on their drive, or the download speeds to reliably download them over and over. As a result they go the disk route. EA's CFO: “We do think the industry will end calendar year 2017 probably above 40%" when speaking of digital sales compared to physical. So, EA themselves is saying that 60% of their game sales (Remember, digital figures often include things like DLC bought after launch) is predicted to be from physical this year. So that is actually a pretty huge chunk.
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4) I have. However this one was sooooo out of the water in comparison to those (Way higher poly counts, draw calls and textures than anything I have seen prior for a hilt) that I felt people needed to know since they were voting on it for a contest. If you want to know about me and model optimization, ask Lervish how I told him he NEEDS LoDs for his Old Han model he recently released. 5) I suck at helping because I'm not trying to help. I told you what you needed to do, that is all. My goal was not to tell you the step by step process. Problem being, Rend2 isn't doing the updates to the OpenGL that allow for more draw calls and higher poly counts. They have only added graphical features like normal maps, parallax occlusion mapping, proper speculars, cube maps, gloss, etc. They haven't done anything to the existing core. Rend2 only has a partial upgrade to the updated OpenGL, and is falling back to the old basejka version for everything else. Which means it doesn't really expand much at all. Also, again there is no difference causing apples and oranges. I was talking about two rendering portions of each engine. A renderer is a component of an engine, not a separate piece. And again, no matter what API you are using, optimizing a model is still exactly the same regardless of how much perceived room you think you have. Just because a PC has the capability to run millions of polygons, does not mean a single model you should take up 10% of that millions of polygons with a single model. The same goes for textures, draw calls, etc. Just because you can doesn't mean you should and saying that "because I don't have a problem" is a logical fallacy that is used way too often in arguments. The only thing I listed that was JKA specific was the PNG thing, the draw calls, texture resolutions, texture counts, are not JKA specific. -
4) Yes, it doesn't make sense for 32 people to use the same hilt, however if 32 people used different hilts with the same level of optimization as this, it wouldn't be good for the game. 5) Then why are you bitching to me about not teaching you when you could do it again? No you didn't claim to be a professional developer, I said if you knew anything about them, not that you are one. I didn't illogically assume anything once again, learn to read. Even freelance developers have NDA's. Also its impossible to google your way towards being an engineer but okay. You completely insulted valid feedback by saying stuff like "Skyrim has a 4096 rock texture" So what? Say that modern game developers release buggy stuff all the time. So what? What does any of that have to do with my feedback? Nothing. You're telling me I'm comparing apples and oranges, yet a model is a model, it doesn't matter what game engine you put it in they're still running on the same hardware and APIs and those engines have to deal with those same API limitations, so no it isn't apples and oranges. You came pandering to me about OpenGL/DX like you understood them. You said to Spaghetti before that you were relying on Rend2 which has no intention of optimizing the base rendering code and is now more or less a dropped project. So no, it won't be making JKA run better or do the things that you want it to do. So you should optimize for BASE. It literally does not matter how powerful modern computers are when the engine can't use it to its full potential. Your attitude came from being SO DEFENSIVE that you had to make illogical arguments defending why you made choices. You did have attitude, had nothing to do with me being butthurt. Everything I listed has NOTHING to do with what API or Engine a game runs on, and is a constant optimization across every game engine in existence so your argument there adds absolutely no value to the conversation and therefore is illogical.
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1) You again mentioned it yourself, TGA. TGA compresses down to roughly the same size of PNG but has no performance loss and you can set it to uncompressed so you don't get artifacts. 3) Considering I have been a successful tutor several times before and saved peoples failing grades, my ability to teach is not a problem. My goal was not to teach and still is not, it was to inform of a optimization problem. I did that. 4) Just because you have no problems doesn't mean others will, particularly if they would like to include it in a larger mod. Don't used flawed logic to justify things. 6) Putting words in other peoples mouths is not a good thing. 7) Yeah I show off my work a lot, because people keep asking me questions about it and wanting to see progress. Avoiding answering 10 questions I just post it instead. Easier, smarter, more efficient. People are welcome to tell me the flaws of things, its how I learned and grew. Guess what, when I went into level design, people just told me to google as well. Sometimes you have to rely on yourself and not others. Very constantly, I do get told that I am wrong and can do things better, then I go and do it. I don't get all offended on a freaking comment thread and have to make this whole thing. When you responded you used incredibly flawed logic to justify your decisions instead of just listening and taking the feedback like a man. If you knew anything about professional game developers, you would know most are under NDA which means they cannot show what they are working on even if they would want to, and when they can they actually do show about as much as I do. Example: https://twitter.com/XanderClauss
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1) You mentioned the texture format yourself, I felt you were capable of deducting which one to use since PNG was bad. 2) You were already aware of the polygon issue, I didn't need to touch on it as well as others had already told you of it. 3) Google something if you don't know the term so you understand. Basic common sense. 4) Textures have a gameplay impact when you load more than the game engine is capable of parsing correctly, the pool isn't infinite. In fact UE4's default pool for example is 1024MB and you have to expand it to get it to use more (IE if you have a card greater than 1024 MB of VRAM) It doesn't matter. This means that you may cause lag for people, especially with lower end computers (Which is a lot of people that play JKA). 5) The way I worded things was technical and to the point, without a lot of fluff. I don't baby people. 6) I didn't say you had to fix shit immediately. So no I didn't assume you had no life besides fixing the shit I pointed out. I just said it needs to be fixed. Nice logic. I don't have all day to spend modding or working on things either. So of course I understand that. 7) The fact you went to my twitter where the first 2 pages are me talking with my friends and have none of the comments you speak of just to pick at the ones I mention to one person indicates a problem with you trying to pick out things that fit your narrative.
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So he pointed the flaws out and you failed to fix them? Looks like you listen very well. I did tell you how to fix things, reduce the 15 (I actually looked at the model and found it was 15 not 8) draw calls into one. Which means merging elements and combining UV's. I told you to reduce texture count from 17 to 5, which also means doing the same thing. I literally pointed out the flaws and told you how to fix it. That pointed you in the exact direction you needed to make it better. Reduce draw calls, reduce texture count. And I gave you a reference of the amount of resources a modern model uses to compare to yours to give you an idea of how much of a reduction is needed. Now you tell me that I didn't do any of that. Okay. GG.
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This is literally the worst hobby modder attitude I have ever ran into. Instead of listening and accepting the fact that something is broken, you refuse. I'm glad the torches have been passed off from good modders to people like this.
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Ignorance is bliss, good luck expanding your abilities to get noticed or potentially paid by a hobby one day with that attitude. It isn't just your ONE asset loaded in-game it doesn't matter if it loads. And no, a .dds doesn't need to be decompressed by the game engine, because modern game engines can display textures with compression, its how they manage to fit so much with so little VRAM. JKA cannot do that. This is coming from multiple people who actually have made games or have content in actual games. If you want to ignore that, then be my guest. The argument that ohhh the engine was released X number of years ago, even though battlefront got rewards for being the most graphically advanced this year. Jesus dude. It sounds like you don't know what a draw call is and why they are a problem. Hint: Direct X 9 can only display about 7,000 draw calls on screen before tanking the framerate to unplayable levels on every machine. The entire point of DX12 is to greatly expand the number of draw calls that can be processed in a frame. If a single hilt uses 8 of those calls, multiplied by how many people use that hilt (lets say 32 people in a server) you're using 256 draw calls for something that should use 32. That means in the world, there can be less props, less foliage, less buildings, less npcs, less customization because it all adds up. JKA was also built before unified shader platform, which means it cannot even use the full capacity of a modern GPU so your argument of better computers doesn't even fucking matter. Not to mention the game runs on a single core.
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I also have to vote it lower due to optimization. The brand new battlefront released by EA has a snowspeeder in it. This snow speeder has 4 draw calls (Exterior, Interior, Pilots, Window) and has uses a total of 9 textures. The biggest of which are for the exterior with 2048x2048 resolution. Interior has 1024x512 & 512x256 while pilots & window have 512x512. This lightsaber hilt has a minimum 8 draw calls, 17 textures of which there are 10 MORE 2048x2048 textures than battlefronts snowspeeder. It is also using PNG images which causes the engine to have to decompress things twice before it gets loaded in its raw form, which increase time to load a level. Once decompressed will also use way more video memory than the snowspeeder does. You say that you are making it to be used for more advanced renderers, but this hilt is more intensive and requires way more PC resources than a model from a modern game engine that runs a hell of a lot better than JKA and anything Rend2 will be capable of doing. Not to mention that the model takes up way more screen space than a hilt does. Hilts should be a single draw call, and one texture set (Diffuse/Emissive/Spec/env/reflect) which means 5 textures maximum if you aren't using env textures provided by base. 1024x1024 is also plenty of resolution for something of the size of a hilt on screen.
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Yeah, I even downloaded the build he commented on to check it out. There is nothing in it that could cause that. My only guess could be that something is wrong with his drivers (specifically opengl) that is causing that.
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Evolution of Combat IV - Main Topic
MaceMadunusus replied to MattFiler's topic in WIPs, Teasers & Releases
Can confirm that it is also using content from Movie Battles II. MBII assets do not have a readme attached either, and again no proof of permission (I haven't recently given permission for any FX files found in MBIIs RC level, but here they are here.) Just looking through the files, it is a massive attempt at using content from everywhere else but your own. -
I tried it with several members of the MB team, we all stopped playing it pretty quickly out of disappointment. The game could have been so much but it just failed on so many levels that it just isn't fun for me. The biggest casual things I wanted were stripped out of it entirely (Solo bot play) and is something I really wanted and would really have helped with the longevity. I seriously cannot justify anything in the product at all and I haven't been more disgusted since EA rushed Mass Effect 3's ending. I wanted a modern battlefront, I got a stripped down SW CoD. I got about 20 hours, just couldn't do it anymore. Refunnnddddddd
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I don't see me doubling back and rephrasing my arguments. I've said the same thing this entire time, simply because you cannot read doesn't mean anything because clearly other people like shadow can understand me just fine. The fact that I have been a part of making a modification that is referenced all of the time when even talking about AAA EA SW titles on its own while also having content in many actual video games gives me a little more weight than you think I actually know what I'm talking about from experience if you really want to bring ego into this. You're just sitting here attempting to insult people. I gave facts, reasoning, statistics. You're just a dick. If you dislike me so much, just ignore me using your account settings.
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Thanks Shadow, reading comprehension on this forum is abysmal. There is a reason I didn't quote you in my previous posts JAWS, because you weren't blindly defending the game even though you enjoyed it. You were being a reasonable person in that regard, yet you come back at me with insults about potentially liking trump and needing to go outside more? Please grow up. (For the record: Trump is a fuckwit, so is Hilary)
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Of course, but ignoring complaints, saying the game is fine because they have fun, is the problem. Example quote from Circa: "Go play it if you haven't yet. It's pretty dang fun." Yeah, exactly the problem. People have, and the majority including myself have said it sucks. Completely ignoring all the complaints helps no one. If DICE just looked only the people who said they are having fun they would think their game is good because of confirmation bias. Yet the majority says otherwise. Not looking at both sides and just saying the game is good because you're having fun is the same thing. Lets also not forget about sunk cost fallacy.
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I answered the question, if you want to know why read my post. Specifically the part that says you don't need to play the game to know how shit it is at this point simply because of word-of-mouth. Multiple news articles are citing Battlefront's sales problems to word-of-mouth. Glad to know both of you are suffering from Buyer's Stockholm Syndrome. Completely unwilling to change your opinion based on tons of new facts that you are clearly ignoring simply because you think it is fun. Some of the biggest logical fallacies I've seen in a while. Do you even understand how much flak the MB team would get if we thought something was balanced but in reality and statistics wise isn't? Don't be blinded by your own confirmation biases. Oh look, TB now does the Multiplayer only problem just like Jim Sterling.
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Over the course of the last few weeks, average PC player counts have dropped 30,000 players, PS4 had dropped 70,000 players (41% of initial week avg). Battlefield 4 had more players all day today than Battlefront on PC and Battlefield 3 was only 2-3,000 behind over the course of the day. Earlier today, more people were playing the original counter strike (not source or go) than were playing battlefront on pc. After reviews came out, EA's stock dropped 6%. A few weeks later, Gamestop, Xbox, Amazon, GMG all had $20 off sales on Battlefront (an attempt to boost sales not at all aiming towards their 13 million projection) and as a result dropped EA's stock another 5% (Nasdaq is attributing it to the early price drops). After reviews stating the game lacked content and multiple concerns from players, they announced more free DLC outside of Jakku. EA executives also admit that battlefront 'may' lack content. User reviews put Battlefront at a 4.4/10 frequently likening its longevity to that of Titanfall or Evolve. According to this video EA sold only 1.5 million copies between the first week/two weeks. Fallout 4, GTA 5, etc sold over 10 million in the first week. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/116485-Star-Wars-Battlefront-Review Battlefronts initial week sales lagged behind Fallout 4, Blackops 3, FIFA 16 to take spot #4 worldwide (several local markets were different). It also was ranked 13th for all Black Friday sales figures across all retailers: http://www.gamerevolution.com/manifesto/star-wars-battlefronts-mixed-reception-appears-to-have-significantly-affected-sales-35621 The game is full of completely questionable game design problems ranging from being able to equip multiple grenades on a 10 second cooldown (Totally no grenade spam) to the lack of sheltered spawns that have been present in any objective based game since before Team Fortress 2. Or other things like the Falcon having a shield that can ram the Slave I to instantaneously get rid of the enemy heroes aircraft in Fighter Squadron. While were at it, lets mention the horribly obvious incompetence in the QA team where walkers dying in the first phase of Sullust get stuck, or TIEs crash into star destroyer debris on spawns on the brand new Jakku map. Lets just entirely forget about the logic behind Imperials being able to pick up anti-vehicle pickups when Rebels don't even posses ground vehicles. Oh, and why can't we voice chat with our partner exactly? The entire game is full of cheese. They wanted to make a game that appeals to a large number of people, particularily more casual players yet they forget one of the most casual things in the original battlefront. Being able to play the base gamemodes against bots locally and with split screen. That is one of the things that makes any game instantaneously more accessible to people. Especially those without internet or with crappy internet. Not to mention the fragmenting DLC practices that have been continued and will be offering less for the same price as Battlefield 4 Premium. The battlefront subreddit is full of people speaking with support about refunding their game, especially from PC and Austrailian/New Zealand markets as well as tons of people with issues with matchmaking to the point where they cannot even play the game and create joke images instead http://i.imgur.com/pR9Kyzd.png, as well as a massive amount of bugs, balance problems. Jim Sterling goes over the new AAA Multiplayer-only trend found recently in Battlefront and Rainbow 6: Siege. Where he states that these games have cut out singleplayer in the hopes of creating more multiplayer content. However, in neither of the games that theory has not actually been found in practice. Battlefront has less vehicles, less customization, less ui options, less weapons, less maps per gamemode than DICEs previous Battlefield 4. At this point everyone knows that it is not worth its purchase price. No one needs to play it at this point to know that. Anyone that states otherwise is subject to Post-Purchase rationalization also known as Buyer's Stockholm Syndrome because they want to justify their purchase so badly they are willing to overlook everything wrong with the game. You wanna know something? TotalBiscuit referenced Movie Battles specifically when talking about Battlefronts lightsaber combat and how inadequate it was on his Co-Optional Podcast. He referenced a fucking 13 year old modification when talking about a brand new AAA title from DICE and talked about it (and JK in general) having superior lightsaber combat.
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Actually a good thing that it did. Usually more modes fragments the community base extremely far when you get into excessive amounts (more than 4 or so imo) (Titanfall suffered from this) and they all eventually gravitate to one or two gamemodes. In Battlefront Walker Assault definitely will be one, supremacy probably another. That isn't saying having a ton of modes isn't fun but there will always be ones people prefer over others, and as a result of diminishing playerbase over time the less liked gamemodes just wont be playable at all after a certain point in time. With Jakku they're supposedly adding yet another gamemode to the mix, which makes the problem worse. I would much rather a company focus on making one gamemode great than making 10 gamemodes okay. Edit: Peak PC player counts for today: Battlefield 4: 27,536 Battlefront: 34,174 Team Fortress 2: 62,620 ARK Survival Evolved: 39,841 Grand Theft Auto 5: 35,573 Garrys Mod: 34,252 Football Manager 2016: 59,511 So many games that have been around for quite a while already are beating the PC player counts for battlefront. Consoles still have pretty high player counts, but if you include those for several of those games the same can be said, but the numbers are already dropping from launch.
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Being annoying about something I believe in is fine with me. I'm glad you like the game, I enjoyed it too. Just not $60 AAA title enjoyed. Most of my gaming community and MB developers feel the same. In fact most have already stopped playing. EA is now promising more free content outside of Jakku DLC to respond to the points the reviews brought up over the lack of content and their stock prices dropping 6% after those reviews were released. That is a positive, but we shall see where that goes. They're still doing maps for season pass crap.
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Liking the game and preordering are two completely different things, you can like the game but not have preordered and you can preorder the game and not like it. There is no hypocrisy in my statement. Pre-ordering is WANT not LIKE. Also reviews for this game came out real good mates, basically everyone of them saying it doesn't have enough content to be worth $60. Great on y'all.
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This comment made it clear you didn't read a single thing. I even linked videos that tells you why not to pre order and then you ask what the hell the difference is. Watch the video, and get some reading comprehension if you want me to take you seriously. I hate being rude like that but come on dude... I'm not going to repeat myself because of your own inability to read or take the time to watch things I have posted. The game isn't necessarily bad but its inherently broken and overpriced. It was fun to play, but is it $60 fun to play and will it keep my interest past a few weeks? Nope. Remember, I had the alpha, did they fix the community complaints about the flight controls on PC in beta months later? Nope, they tweaked it so it wasn't as bad, but its still bad. Yet the community was as unanimous about the flight controls sucking in the alpha like they were spawns sucking in the beta. They've made many basic game design sins that just don't even make sense from a company with as much experience with DICE.
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That is incredibly unwise practice. No wonder.
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Yet, you probably read reviews for PC parts and other things more than a couple of dollars? That is beyond illogical. Thanks for encouraging egregious pre-order schemes that lock out parts of the game for zero reason for the rest of us who actually care about our money.
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Moviebattles 2 site back online
MaceMadunusus replied to eezstreet's topic in Jedi Knight General Discussions
https://community.moviebattles.org/threads/launcher-fix-released.272/page-3#post-2691 Waiting till verified stable and working for a couple days before I upload to sites that need approval processes -
Arkham Knight was removed from the god damn steam store until they fixed the game and GMG changed their refund policy specifically for the game. Watch the video. What is the harm in you buying the game on launch? Like it costs the same in most cases, the only thing it requires you is patience. DONT PREORDER. You aren't going to die because you waited for a product to release before purchasing.