ChalklYne

this is what i noticed that fixed that for me... ill give u an example shader and show u what i mean models/map_objects/tiefacility/glass { { map models/map_objects/tiefacility/glass1 blendFunc GL_ONE GL_ONE alphaFunc LT128 } { map models/map_objects/tiefacility/tiehallreflect blendFunc GL_ONE GL_ONE tcGen environment } } ok now when u assign a material to an object, of course u would assign models/map_objects/tiefacility/glass and in turn it would use the shader knowledge to pic out which images are needed in this case glass1 and tiehallreflect. well... radiant just knows to look for glass. not glass1 or anything. and, in reality, there is no glass image. copy glass1 and make it glass and it will work

are those supposed to be like etched in notches or kind of painted on? im not familiar with gregor i apologize

could u or someone explain this a bit?

wow man thats really interesting stuff here.. a low level LOD would be number one man. seriously i would be giddy as hell with something like that. this is totally unrelated but unworthy of its own post so im sorry in advance 4 the slight derailment... but with LOD's... i was thinking a few weeks ago about being able to swap between LOD's at certain battle damage percentages.. like you're at 100% health then u have the main model. 75% a bit more damaged of a model, 50% beaten to hell, 25% almost dead. im sure u get the idea. but at a certain percentage, do a glm swap. but, if u could just rig it just like a LOD with its own stupidtriangle_off_dam75...stupidtriangle_offdam50 etc etc am i making any sense here? or if u did it like that would it be ridiculous on the engine as well? would it be easier to swap between glms instead at a certain damage percentage? i apologize again for the derailment

ahhh yeah see that makes sense... der my blunder i spaced that. this is gunna get me lynched... but here it goes... ive never even finished 1 level of SP =X ive only modded since day1. and someone chewed my ass out for it too lmao. gettin at me about how the storyline is actually quite good in this game and the gameplay is rather fun your first time around.. but i dont play any games in my defense. never for more than like 5 minutes. i do a lotttttttttt of modding, and record music, and am a single dad of 2 kids...and have a job lmao... so, i just dont play games man. i swear glob as my witness next time i am bored and dont wanna model something i will indeed play yavin =)

yeah i know, but what i was suggesting is if the server as well as the client all used this modified skele... would that fix the compatibility problem for MP? or are the names and amount of bones hard coded into MP? Dont they just have to have the same gla? i was thinking about that from what i know (which isnt much lol) doesnt the jka engine make like boxes around the player for collision? as opposed to using the mesh? ohhhhh wait are u saying first, youd have to fix the mesh collision and remove the boxes so to speak, then implement the cloth? that kinda makes sense to me.

oh crap my bad that was an old dragonballz joke. wrong forums lmao so what youre proposing is the game engine determine that the cloth shader is geometry and will all be hard coded with collision or whatever? i guess the way im picturing it is like a misc_portal is an entity, but the shader calls for it... something sort of along those lines? but see... ive overloaded a map with shaders before and it brought down my fps as well, will your method still be "cheaper" on the poor old engine?

yep. agreed. so yeah devi theres your answer. lmao u know why u cant have cloth physics yet devi? man hours lol "It's over 9000!!" but i will be using this method for kazdan. and that makes me happy for now i doubt anybody else will.. so lemme take a sec out to thank everyone for going in depth with this thread i learned something =) and to arch... holy sh*t man cloth looping and everything u explained about the shader made comlpete sense awesome stuff and big thank u for the cloth looping trick

i was also worried about overhauling too yeah i thought about that last night... if we did add in a few more bones, i was wondering if it would slow the engine down a bunch? making it pointless

yeah i thought about that as well and to me, its kind of like if u take the base skele, and rig a vader. yer gunna have to fake it here n there and make it work the best u can with the old methods. this should be about the same headache here n there, but will look soooo much better. people would have to once again fit their model to the skele, and try to make it fit as best as u can for that specific model, and fix the issues as best as u can with weighing tricks and animation changes. to me it seems like a HELL of a decent project to consider. and thank you in advance for the permission to use the skele in your sig. because i am most definately going to get a beta version going tonight most likely so we can see the benefits and bugs of it and go from there. ill prolly also model a stick figure with a ponytail and saber "holster" a front furlow and a cape. just real basic stuff though dont expect the world from it... but i will definately give it a go... and i think once i kick around a few versions of the skele, and get an overall community consensus of what bones are needed to be added and how stiff, etc, then i can start working on a finalized skele. now, another thing i was thinking... if we could get one of these big projects like say openjk to implement this new skele as like say assets5.pk3 with the new humanoid.gla and animations.cfg... then have it dispersed along with openjk(once again im only using openjk as an example forgive me for profiling lol) will the multiplayer aspect work? because i dont play MP, or code, but, from what i understand, the server as well as the clients have to have the same skeles right? so would this work? and now to fix the problem with the hundreds of existing playermodels that have already been finished, that want to go back and rig it to the new skele and fix things like the cloth, if u still have the xsi file u compiled for that character, gator it to the new skele and tweak it here n there. it would be mad simple. but, most people probably dont have the xsi file for their released playermodels anymore, and will be forced to fully re-rig him/her. which is what a few hours of work? lets get some ideas kicked around as to what all bones i should add... kinda like this... and i dunno why i kept saying togruta tails... theyre kinda stationary i beleive i meant twilek now i think im off to go learn collision in xsi and how to sort of set up boundary planes so the cloth and things never pass throught the body. THAT would be a HUGE advancement, and should eliminate some not all but some of the issues mini is referring to. and if not, and your furlow or cape is just too awkward and u cant get the things to work right, your either going to have to tone down the weights a bit and fix it manually, or re-think your model and its geometry positioning. like i said, you will have to use this skele just like the base one and build your model around the skele to eliminate most problems.

i just youtube'd some gameplay of that veder, and it looks to me like its just rigged to the legs like how we've been doing it. i could be wrong though. EDIT: Im wrong http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tk0yHWYV34 if youll notice at around 0:50 vader does a roll. pause it here n there and u will see this... and the last 2 images to the right, are to show that it is indeed not rigged to the feet. seems like its rigged to the spine and pelvis and possibly the left and right femurs...

create the new anims in xsi off of the new skele we will be creating, export the xsi. go to assimilate and compile u a gla. glaMerge it into the custom _humanoid.gla that would come with the skel. the exact same process, except no dragon. im bursting at the seems that you're learning xsi deviance. from this point forward deviance will not be "moderately creepy", but has graduated into a padawan n00b. celebrate =) any help u need devi just PM me and thank you for flying XSI now everyone toast devi for learning xsi i feel like this everytime someone tells me theyre considering learning xsi...

ill be honest i didnt think it was gunna work first time lol. so what i did was, i took i beleive this is minis skele, i added a small anim to it. then copied the skele, then added nulls and a tail for constraints... ran the anim and bam ponytail started "animating" itself. u can see how it goes into his neck and just all kinds of horrible things right now cuz i literally spent 5 minutes on it... but... u could imagine what a full day or two or maybe a week could do for us. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_vy2jnw-Tw&feature=youtu.be this opens up a huge possibility. now we can import the custom xsi with all the anims.. lets call this _humanoid.xsi to eliminate any more confusion... u could take the custom _humanoid.xsi that im proposing we create, and add things to it like grievous's extra 2 arms... and the entire model will be pre-animated all u will have to do is go back through it all and move the new arms how u saw fit. which, granted is a decent amount of work... but the benefits far outweigh the work. as before if you made a custom skele u were reanimating the whole thing. this technique just fixed my kazdan =) now i just need a torguta model, with a tail =) and furlows, and a cape, and holsters, and a ponytail to test it on lmao thats one ugly jedi

well, in xsi... all id really have to do is make 2 exact same skeles, off of the humanoidbasemoderlsandanims file or whatever it is. then take one skele, add what i want as nulls. then constrain those nulls with things like tails and spines and stuff. then motor the anims from the "base" skele, over to the new one... it would not care about the extra nulls. but, when u play the nimation, the constraints will cause the nulls to move accordingly, thus, making it already animated. all you have to do is go back through it and tweak it here and there. which would be the most time consuming part. which mini posted previously, but, also, if we constrained the nulls correctly and set the stiffnesses all correctly and made sure our IK was good, it shouldnt have to be tweaked very much at all. if anything, just the cape and furlows for clipping into the legs here and there. someone rather familiar with xsi could set up the rig in maybe a day or two... its just weaking the nulls would take a hot little minute. but soooooo worth it imo. also... if we did that, while were going thru tweaking the nulls, we could also improve the normal anims by constraints/ bounding planes/etc. but... u are prolly right the last thing i posted about just adding nulls to pre animated skeles prolly wont work. but the way i just explained, while still a theory until i google a bit and pick a few more brains, is totally do-able. next time im bored, ill set up a simple stick figure rig, and do exactly what i just said and will be back with the test results

i dunno. i think its a lot of time either way. either for the coders to implement something like that, or, for the animators to doble check and tweak it. but thanx for the motor-gator clear up. sounds like a damn good idea tho. i could make the skele, but i would need an idea of everything needed first like what kind of nulls would b needed for a great jka skele with cloth, tails, and everything else explained earlier. after i rig starkiller ill try and import all of the xsi's to make one nice humanoid.gla and see what i can do it reallly seems like it should work but, i would need a test model, or two. something like vader for the cape, shaak ti for the torguta things, something with a tail, etc to test n see if the anim went correctly. thx for the clearup mini

naw youd have to essentially make a custom skele, which in turn would break your gla cuz it doesnt have the rotation n trannslation keys for the new bones in the old _humanoid.gla just the regulare bones. well youd have to add in nulls, and put them into the heirarchy as bones so the information exported with your gla. not for every character. just for the one using that skele. now granted, u can make one ultimate custom skele with cape cloth nulls, furlow nulls, twilek and torguta tail nulls, tail nulls, swaying holster, ponytails, etc, u can add all of those into a skele for jka, animate it like i said with tails and such constraining the nulls but not in the heirarchy, then if u reanimated that entire skele... it would be something to marvel over. im willing to make the skele but certainly not animate the whole thing lol if we hacked away at it tho we could pull it off sooooo much simpler. this is what i been thinking... take the raven basemodelsandanims file... import all the anims into xsi until u have u a full base _humanoid.gla of anims, but in xsi format, simple... then and now were getting into something i dont know too much about maybe we can get mini or corto to help out here.. but then take the full animation, and convert it to maybe i dunno mocap? or something. something like gator but for anims... then, have u an exact copy of that skele, but with the nulls u want added to it, then convert that animation data back to the new skele, run the anims, and it will animate the cloth and what not for u. export that and youd have a new base gla and skele we could all use to rig to and what not. and u wouldnt have to reanimate anything but a few frames here n there where the cloth n stuff didnt work right. this route would completely eliminate dragon tho for it doesnt import the constrain info cuz u cant export it in the root.xsi... did that make any sense? or if that is a fail, how does xsi like u adding nulls to already animated skeles?

well, in xsi, i would constrain the nulls for the cloth to tails or whatever i needed and let them animate freely, then id have to go through the walk cycles and looped stuff manually and manually make it seemless. u can make really nice really decent faked cloth physics, but youd have to reanimate every animation for that character.

what model do u have that needs cloth physics so badly? ive seen it faked fairly well for most necessary cloth applications i mean whats the big issue yer having or do u have a model yer working on that yer worried about cloth deformation? or is this more just kinda like "hey somebody spend weeks coding something so i can see capes sway better" kinda deal? no worries if it is im just asking cuz if its actually for anything u need right now i can probably help u get it to work fairly well for now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSnHDQSz4Tg

ill work on that tonight then. been spending a lot of time swapping between models and this map ill post more pics when i get shaders figured out

welcome to the hub Sierra

well im already pushin 6000 tris so im kinda already blowing the mark as it is.. but then again.. i dont see it taking up much more verts so hell i dunno. the armpits look weird right now so i dunno i might go into it. heres some hands i just made for it. still tweaking em but figured since i was posting might as well. im done with geometry now, just deleting edge loops here n there n trying to save as much as possible n get it under 6000 EDIT: smaller eyes... poutier lips..

update on the painted version

yeah this is like an hour worth of hand painting it. ill keep the previous cuz i know it looks decent, but im still gunna hand paint it as well