Media makes gamers look bad yet again...

[Ping]

You have yet to give an argument for narrowing down sports to athletic sports and you have yet to address all the arguments given by everyone else to the contrary.

 

The only point you make is that playing games all the time can be unhealthy. But this is entirely off-topic unless you throw in a lot of additional premises.

 

EDIT in response to your EDIT: You do know that many professional gamers make money above the national average of whatever country you live in, right? And I'm just talking about basic salary. Also, when you go pro, you don't just play and have a good time, it's a job for you. Do you know anything at all about the professional scene? I'm really wondering given the things you say about it.

[z3filus]

Read more about Darwin you fool.   You're obviously a pro gamer.

[Ping]

Ah insult, the mark of defeat. Well done, you have proven all of your points perfectly now and have made an excellent case for whatever you were saying.

 

While we're at namedropping, Lim Yo Hwan was making about half a million USD per year in salary and endorsment contracts before he retired (next to whatever he was earning from tournament victories). Chen Zhihao is one of five players that made over 1 million USD in tournament money over the last two years alone (ontop of whatever he gets paid as a salary). How much money did you earn over the last five years or so?

 

Do your friends get painted on a plane too?

 

[Botdra]

Read more about Darwin you fool.   You're obviously a pro gamer.

If you wish to have an intelligent, fact-based discussion that doesn't involve selective reading, dodging arguments, needlessly insulting others, and fabricating what counts as "fact", you're more than welcome to come back to this thread. Until then, I suggest we end the conversation since it's only going to escalate.

 

Moving forward, another example of video games being painted poorly by the media was the whole Twitch buyout. Every news station was essentially saying "What's Twitch and why the hell would anyone pay money for it?!" in a very similar manner to when they discuss games like GTA5 grossing insane amounts of money and somehow fail to notice that the video game industry is a bigger industry than film by a large amount.

 

Anyone see the CBS follow up talking about how Twitch and the Let's Play culture are pure evil? Not sure if CBS has gone Nintendo or Nintendo has gone CBS...

[z3filus]

@@Ping How much did I ear over the last 5 years or so? Dude.
There are only a handful on humans on this planet who earn their living by playing video games. That doesn't yet mean e-sports is actually any kind of sport.
That only means there are insanely rich people out there, who earned their money working hard behind a desk or at the gym, who can afford paying such amounts of money.
Drugs, cocaine, meth whores etc. are also a good way to earn millions of dollars, but would you call that " legit business "   just 'cause they are on top of the world?
Games industry shovel in tons of money for sure, but most of that money goes to the developers who actually worked from 9 to 5 on a project  -- What do you get ?

You get to call yourself a professional gamer and at worst, compare yourself to athletes, who earn millions each month.

It's good to know that you decide when we are "moving foreward" @@Botdra why don't you keep trying to prove how e-sports is actually, sports? PLease.

[Xycaleth]

You get to call yourself a professional gamer and at worst, compare yourself to athletes, who earn millions each month.

...and it doesn't irk you to know that people who are hitting/throwing a ball for a job are earning, in a single month, over 50x or 100x of your annual salary?

[Raz0r]

Most professional or semi-professional e-sport players are not overweight, but quiet healthy.

A lot of players take this seriously because nutrition and your health in general can greatly affect performance, decision making, reflexes and stress. These are the things that win tournaments, the main goal of their profession.

[Syko]

Moving forward, another example of video games being painted poorly by the media was the whole Twitch buyout. Every news station was essentially saying "What's Twitch and why the hell would anyone pay money for it?!" in a very similar manner to when they discuss games like GTA5 grossing insane amounts of money and somehow fail to notice that the video game industry is a bigger industry than film by a large amount.

 

The film industry is actually still a lot bigger than the game industry. I don't know how accurate Statista.com is, but according to it the total revenue for the film industry last year was about 40 billion dollars, while the gaming industry took in about 888 million dollars. Even if these numbers are wildly inaccurate I think it's still clear that the film industry is bigger and it makes sense. Tons of movies like The Avengers and Furious 7 take home billions of dollars every few months while in the game industry there's only a select few that make profits like that (like Skyrim and especially GTA5)

 

Also consider the demographics. People of all ages and genders go to the movies while the demographics of gamers (were taking about people who play full length games, Angry Birds doesn't count) are young (>30s-40s) and skewed towards males.

[Botdra]

It's good to know that you decide when we are "moving foreward" @@Botdra why don't you keep trying to prove how e-sports is actually, sports? PLease.

This just goes to show why you're not even worth addressing anymore.

 

You have clearly not read my post properly, or anyone's posts here considering you still think some people in this thread are saying video games and traditional sports the same thing. I never once said they were the same as sports, I said they are similar and gave you many reasons as to why they are similar, even stating their major difference of the level of physical activity, but you continue to argue blindly.

I'll let you argue with the others from now on. Maybe you'll learn some civility, to read some of their posts properly, and learn to stop attacking people over such a petty issue. Take your sensitivity, harassment and superiority complex elsewhere please. Thank you.

 

@@Syko: Perhaps I spoke too soon, as there seem to be conflicting statistics online. The closer I look the more it seems that the video game industry is bigger, but not by as much as some numbers report. Some say the gaming industry made double what the film industry did in 2013. Wikipedia says that internationally video games made $81.5 billion in 2014, while the film industry made half that in 2013. Different years of course, but obviously the film industry didn't double in a year. In fact, 2013 was a console release year for the two biggest selling console creators (historically), so that says a lot about the 2014 statistics. Suppose it would depend on what you include in your numbers. Either way though, even with pessimistic stats it's at least in the same league as the film industry. I'd also argue that although film has more "big winners", that the video game industry has a larger amount of "mid level" success with games, seemingly. That's entirely based on my perception and what I know from anecdotes throughout the years though, not statistics so take that with a grain of salt.

 

EDIT: Yeah that number is grossly (heh, double meaning) inaccurate. Console sales for the PS4 alone are nearly $9 billion, according to Sony. That is since release, but it's also from March 31st.

[eezstreet]

If you do nothing but sit on your arse all day sure, you might run into problems with obesity. But it's no different than an athlete training. I suggest you stop talking about that which you know nothing about (and have admitted to)

[z3filus]

@@Botdra
OH please, you hurry to silence me and hope for others to do the same but you haven't yet said, what makes e-sports  " sports. "
Electronic-Sports is just a label, it could be called  Competitive Gaming but how does that sell? Poorly. Atleast you wouldn't compare yourselves to professional athletes.


@@eezstreet
Athletes run and do weightlifting, each as much as needed depending on their career choise. It's completely opposite from sitting still and occasionally working out.

[Ping]

Tell that the Olympic Committee and the central international sports federation. Again, you've been given so many examples of non-athletic sports and have been shown that non-athletic activity is also physical activity (as per dictionary definition), I am baffled that you refuse to engage the counter-arguments.

 

E-sports is sports insofar as it shares essential features of officially recognized sports. This has been mentioned very early on page 1.

[Botdra]

@@Botdra

OH please, you hurry to silence me and hope for others to do the same but you haven't yet said, what makes e-sports  " sports. "

 

No one is saying it's the same as sports...

 

You have clearly not read my post properly, or anyone's posts here considering you still think some people in this thread are saying video games and traditional sports the same thing. I never once said they were the same as sports...

How are those reading comprehension skills coming along?

[eezstreet]

Don't feed the troll I guess.

[Botdra]

Don't feed the troll I guess.

I guess so.

[Cerez]

Has anyone ever seen Fox News' report portraying Mass Effect as a pornographic game? This is the perfect example of how the media views games, nothing more than violent and overtly sexual.

 

 

I can't believe how today's news would be so behind the times to be discussing this topic with such outdated views! Incredible! Obviously none of those women have ever played a video game since the 80s. Both the design of the games and the market has changed tremendously since then.

 

On topic, I've encountered this comment from people I got to know personally -- that if you're a computer guy/girl, and you "hack" (mod or code), that you are potentially a dangerous criminal. The problem is stupidity like this from the media is absorbed so easily into people's consciousness. People tend to view the news as an official and creditable source even these days, when in fact they are far from it. When are we going to learn that the news is full of stupid nonsense?!

 

As Faith Connors said in Mirror's Edge: "It's not news anymore, it's advertising." -- or more like infotainment in the real world. Just a bunch of nonsense thrown together and exaggerated to cause unnecessary excitement over normal things.

[eezstreet]

Oh god. Spot on with the "dangerous criminal" part. You have no idea how many times I've had people come up to me and discreetly ask if I could hack into their ex's email. I'm a software developer, not a master hacking wizard or something.

[afi]

In Germany we had this topic ("killer-games", antisocial gamers) in the news like 5 years ago. Nowadays it's pretty quiet... probably until the next time someone is running amok and they find games like Counter-Strike on his computer.

[Onysfx]

Just because I can do a TINY TINY bit of programming in C++, somehow people assume I could hack into DARPA or some crap.

 

As George Carlin would say.

 

"Some People are really fuckin stupid. You ever notice that? Carry a pen and paper with you, you'll wind up with 30-40 names by the end of the day."