Normal maps (and rend2)

[mrwonko]

The Mobility Radeon 4650 is supposedly capable of OpenGL 3.2 so as long as your driver supports it that should work. You can verify this e.g. using the GPU Caps Viewer. It displays your supported version in the OpenGL tab and lets you try various demos to further test it.

[Boothand]

The Mobility Radeon 4650 is supposedly capable of OpenGL 3.2 so as long as your driver supports it that should work. You can verify this e.g. using the GPU Caps Viewer. It displays your supported version in the OpenGL tab and lets you try various demos to further test it.

 

That should be the problem then!

my GL_VERSION is 3.1.8787 BETA Debug Context.

 

If I try to load a 3.2 demo, I get an error similar to the console dump error.

 

But is this dependent on having the latest driver? Or is it something else?

I hope I won't have issues with my stationary computer when I try it on that, since it's probably older than this computer, just more stationary and stable.

 

 

EDIT: According to this site, it seems I should have the driver named Mobility Radeon HD 4650 6.14.10.9756 to support 3.2.

I seem to have some trouble *getting* it though. Google searches only show me that same page.

[mrwonko]

Well I don't know much about rend2, but the shader indicates OpenGL 3.0 is enough, no need for 3.2. But yeah, it could be related to your mobile GPU not being up to the task or the drivers not supporting it.

[Boothand]

WOO! Finally got hold of the right graphics drivers. Can run rend2 now. Thanks guys

[Xycaleth]

Strange, rend2 shouldn't be using OpenGL features that the card doesn't support. The minimum version required is OpenGL 2.0 (the GLSL version is added at runtime depending on the GL version available). Might have been a driver bug

[Boothand]

Hey, I'm back at my stationary computer. After my success using rend2 on my laptop, using the exact same procedure on my stationary computer doesn't work. No errors, it just won't switch renderer. When I type cl_renderer rd-rend2, and vid_restart, it stays in vanilla. Also tested on a totally clean steam-install, with the same behavior. Clearing the My games/OpenJK folder only resets my settings, but no change to the problem.

 

Graphics card: Nvidia geforce gts 250

OpenGL 3.3.0

DirectX 11

Windows Vista (it's my brother's previous, previous computer, but in good shape despite its Vistaness).

 

Are you aware of any problems with older computers?

[Tempust85]

What does the console say?

[Boothand]

Starting with cl_renderer rd-rend2 in the shortcut command line -

 

cl_renderer = "rd-vanilla", the default

latched = "rd-rend2".

 

cl_renderer rd-rend2; vid restart.

 

condump:

 

 

 

]cl_renderer
Cvar cl_renderer = "rd-vanilla", the default
     latched = "rd-rend2"
]cl_renderer rd-rend2
]vid_restart
Shutting down OpenGL subsystem
----- Initializing Renderer ----
Trying to load "rd-rend2_x86.dll" from "C:\spel\JKA\GameData"...
Loading "rd-rend2_x86.dll" failed
failed: trying to load fallback renderer
Trying to load "rd-vanilla_x86.dll" from "C:\spel\JKA\GameData"...
...initializing QGL
succeeded
...setting mode 8: 1280 1024 W
...created window@0,0 (1286x1050)
Initializing OpenGL driver
...getting DC: succeeded
...GLW_ChoosePFD( 32, 24, 8 )
...125 PFDs found
...hardware acceleration found
...PIXELFORMAT 9 selected
...creating GL context: succeeded
...making context current: succeeded
Initializing OpenGL extensions
...GL_S3_s3tc available
...GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc available
...no tc preference specified
.....using GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc
...using GL_EXT_texture_env_add
...GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic available
...using GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic
...using GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp
...using WGL_EXT_swap_control
...using GL_ARB_multitexture
...using GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array
...using GL_EXT_point_parameters

GL_VENDOR: NVIDIA Corporation
GL_RENDERER: GeForce GTS 250/PCIe/SSE2
GL_VERSION: 3.3.0
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GL_ARB_framebuffer_object GL_ARB_framebuffer_sRGB GL_ARB_geometry_shader4 GL_ARB_get_program_binary GL_ARB_half_float_pixel GL_ARB_half_float_vertex
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GL_ARB_point_parameters GL_ARB_point_sprite GL_ARB_program_interface_query GL_ARB_provoking_vertex GL_ARB_robust_buffer_access_behavior GL_ARB_robustness
GL_ARB_sampler_objects GL_ARB_seamless_cube_map GL_ARB_separate_shader_objects GL_ARB_shader_bit_encoding GL_ARB_shader_objects GL_ARB_shader_texture_lod
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GL_ARB_texture_float GL_ARB_texture_mirror_clamp_to_edge GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat GL_ARB_texture_multisample GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two
GL_ARB_texture_query_levels GL_ARB_texture_rectangle GL_ARB_texture_rg GL_ARB_texture_rgb10_a2ui GL_ARB_texture_stencil8 GL_ARB_texture_storage
GL_ARB_texture_storage_multisample GL_ARB_texture_swizzle GL_ARB_texture_view GL_ARB_timer_query GL_ARB_transpose_matrix GL_ARB_uniform_buffer_object
GL_ARB_vertex_array_bgra GL_ARB_vertex_array_object GL_ARB_vertex_attrib_binding GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object GL_ARB_vertex_program GL_ARB_vertex_shader
GL_ARB_vertex_type_10f_11f_11f_rev GL_ARB_vertex_type_2_10_10_10_rev GL_ARB_viewport_array GL_ARB_window_pos GL_ATI_draw_buffers GL_ATI_texture_float
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GL_EXT_blend_equation_separate GL_EXT_blend_func_separate GL_EXT_blend_minmax GL_EXT_blend_subtract GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array GL_EXT_Cg_shader
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GL_EXT_framebuffer_sRGB GL_EXT_geometry_shader4 GL_EXT_gpu_program_parameters GL_EXT_gpu_shader4 GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays GL_EXT_packed_depth_stencil
GL_EXT_packed_float GL_EXT_packed_pixels GL_EXT_pixel_buffer_object GL_EXT_point_parameters GL_EXT_provoking_vertex GL_EXT_rescale_normal
GL_EXT_secondary_color GL_EXT_separate_shader_objects GL_EXT_separate_specular_color GL_EXT_shader_integer_mix GL_EXT_shadow_funcs GL_EXT_stencil_two_side
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GL_EXT_texture_compression_rgtc GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc GL_EXT_texture_cube_map GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp GL_EXT_texture_env_combine
GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3 GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic GL_EXT_texture_integer GL_EXT_texture_lod GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias GL_EXT_texture_mirror_clamp
GL_EXT_texture_object GL_EXT_texture_shared_exponent GL_EXT_texture_sRGB GL_EXT_texture_sRGB_decode GL_EXT_texture_storage GL_EXT_texture_swizzle
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GL_NV_multisample_coverage GL_NV_multisample_filter_hint GL_NV_occlusion_query GL_NV_packed_depth_stencil GL_NV_parameter_buffer_object
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GL_NV_texture_expand_normal GL_NV_texture_multisample GL_NV_texture_rectangle GL_NV_texture_shader GL_NV_texture_shader2 GL_NV_texture_shader3
GL_NV_transform_feedback GL_NV_vertex_array_range GL_NV_vertex_array_range2 GL_NV_vertex_buffer_unified_memory GL_NV_vertex_program GL_NV_vertex_program1_1
GL_NV_vertex_program2 GL_NV_vertex_program2_option GL_NV_vertex_program3 GL_NVX_conditional_render GL_NVX_gpu_memory_info GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap
GL_SGIS_texture_lod GL_SGIX_depth_texture GL_SGIX_shadow GL_SUN_slice_accum GL_WIN_swap_hint WGL_EXT_swap_control
GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE: 8192
GL_MAX_ACTIVE_TEXTURES_ARB: 4

PIXELFORMAT: color(32-bits) Z(24-bit) stencil(8-bits)
MODE: 8, 1280 x 1024 windowed hz:60
GAMMA: hardware w/ 0 overbright bits
rendering primitives: single glDrawElements
texturemode: GL_LINEAR_MIPMAP_LINEAR
picmip: 1
texture bits: 32
lightmap texture bits: 0
multitexture: enabled
compiled vertex arrays: enabled
texenv add: enabled
compressed textures: enabled
compressed lightmaps: disabled
texture compression method: GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc
anisotropic filtering: enabled  (16 of 16)
Dynamic Glow: disabled
-------------------------
76 shader files read
3618 shaders found
61265 code lines
0.94 MB shader data
0.024 seconds
-------------------------
VM_Create: uix86.dll succeeded
VM_Create: cgamex86.dll succeeded
...loaded 4000 faces, 21 meshes, 18 trisurfs, 0 flares
WARNING: light grid array mismatch
CL_InitCGame:  3.46 seconds
]condump rend2
Dumped console text to rend2.txt.
 

 

 

 

I could add that admin rights make no difference, and I'm using a rend2 that Szico sent me, which works on my laptop.

[Tempust85]

Hmmm not sure then.

[Boothand]

It didn't work prior nor after I updated my graphics driver big time (it did cause minimizing with alt + enter to give a black screen in both JK2 and OpenJK though. But that's not related).

 

@@eezstreet, @@ensiform, any experience with the game refusing to switch renderer?

The console log (above) simply says:

 

Trying to load "rd-rend2_x86.dll" from "C:\spel\JKA\GameData"...
Loading "rd-rend2_x86.dll" failed
failed: trying to load fallback renderer

[Tempust85]

Dumb question probably, but there is a rd-rend2_x86.dll in with the openjk EXE right?

[Boothand]

Dumb question probably, but there is a rd-rend2_x86.dll in with the openjk EXE right?

 

Afraid so

 

Could I try someone else's rend2? I'm sure it shouldn't matter though, this one worked just fine on my laptop.

[ensiform]

Admin rights won't do you any good.  That was mostly the whole purpose of adding homepath, so that admin rights are not required.  Is the OpenJK exe new enough?

[Boothand]

Admin rights won't do you any good.  That was mostly the whole purpose of adding homepath, so that admin rights are not required.  Is the OpenJK exe new enough?

 

Yeah, tried with several versions, including the latest build.

[Tempust85]

Maybe it's some weird Vista issue.

[Boothand]

Rend2 decided to start working after a reinstall! Parallax mapping causes the sky to be inverted, textures to be black and crazy stretched, but it works

[Tempust85]

O.o

[Boothand]

I think it was caused by compiling in GtkRadiant 1.6, which I normally leave to 1.5.

 

Fixed now.

[Syko]

So I actually was able to compile the rend2 branch of OpenJK, and got it to run. So I proceeded to make a normal map of one of JA's textures. Here's my shader. 
 

textures/rift/floor1
{ 
	qer_editorimage textures/rift/floor1.jpg
	{  
		map textures/rift/floor1.jpg
		rgbGen vertexLit 
	} 
	{  
		stage normalparallaxmap  
		map textures/rift/floor1/floor1_normal.jpg
	}
}.

Problem is, the game doesn't recognize some of the shader commands. 

 

 

What am I doing wrong? Is the game somehow not utilizing rend2?

[Xycaleth]

Did you tell it to use the rend2 renderer? Enter /cl_renderer rd-rend2 into the console and then /vid_restart.

[redsaurus]

i) what's cl_renderer

ii) is the extension of your shader .mtr

[Syko]

@@Xycaleth 

 

That did it, I can see the texture now at least. My normal map must be awful though because I don't see any improvement.

 

 

@@redsaurus no it's a .shader, does it have to be a .mtr to work?

 

EDIT:

 

...and now, when I try to load the same map using the exact same procedure as before, OpenJK crashes.

[Boothand]

Put rend2 shaders in .mtr so you don't get errors from q3map2. I was pretty sure they'd show up if running rend2 anyway though, but I might be wrong.

 

I experienced lots of crashing and trouble with various versions of openJK/rend2. On this computer it worked for *some* reason after reinstalling the game, but not after trying it on a clean steam-install. I sometimes deleted Documents/My games/OpenJK when things weren't working. OpenJK will generate a new one next time you run it, so it's safe, although you'll lose configs setup in openJK. But that worked as a way to clean up to make sure openJK was up to date and working alright.

 

Did it crash after you put it in .mtr or have you done that yet?

[Syko]

I got kind of pissed off after that last crash and deleted OpenJK. I don't think I'm going to use it again until it's stable, or until rend2 is available for JK2 HD. 

[Stoiss]

that was a fast try