Viewmodels & Ghoul2

[Tempust85]

So how would one go about getting GLM/GLA viewmodels working?

 

Would be very useful for a lot of mods that are going at the moment including JK2HD.

[mrwonko]

You mean the weapons used in first person, which are usually MD3 files? You'd rather use GLM?

[Tempust85]

Yes, just like SoF2. Being able to only animate tags for MD3 doesn't allow for any decent animation.

 

I tried my best to do it, but it was an epic fail.

[eezstreet]

Well basically you'd need to swap out the viewmodel rendering code with something more akin to how playermodels work. I can try it out, but I'm going to need an actual model and a plan before I proceed. I'd recommend taking one of @@Resuru's or @@Silverfang's weapons, putting a texture on them, and then exporting to both MD3 and GLM (MD3 as more of a fallback in case GLM fails, which at this point I don't yet expect to happen)

 

I know @@Silverfang wants to have idle animations, and there's a possibility for reloading, but not too sure on how that would fit into gameplay yet. You might find Silverfang on #JACoders, and Resuru usually hangs out in #JKGalaxies.

[Tempust85]

I was thinking of ripping a SoF2 weapon from its demo to use. Obviously for testing only.

[mrwonko]

I was thinking of ripping a SoF2 weapon from its demo to use. Obviously for testing only.

May or may not work, depending on whether the format has changed since...

[eezstreet]

I was thinking of ripping a SoF2 weapon from its demo to use. Obviously for testing only.

That could work. Do note that there are indeed a few subtle differences in the way that ghoul2 is called in SoF2 (there's no attachment feature in JK2/A, for instance)

@@mrwonko the format hasn't changed I believe

[minilogoguy18]

Missed this thread before but will definitely follow it since it would make every gun and thrown weapon look so much better.

 

Why not just look at SoF2's code directly? It was released wasn't it?

[mrwonko]

Missed this thread before but will definitely follow it since it would make every gun and thrown weapon look so much better.

How so?

[minilogoguy18]

Well for one having the arm animation of say throwing a thermal detonator as well as having animated moving parts on guns.

 

No one want's to do vertex animation, there's a reason why it's hardly used.

[eezstreet]

Missed this thread before but will definitely follow it since it would make every gun and thrown weapon look so much better.

 

Why not just look at SoF2's code directly? It was released wasn't it?

That's what I plan on doing. However I want to get Angelscript support finished first. (Best to get something finished before tackling something else and winding up with broken features, eh?)

[eezstreet]

@@DT85 / @@minilogoguy18: Here you are, one semi-functional, badly rotated GLM viewmodel:

 

 

 

 

I didn't use any SOF2 code for this, rather I hijacked the viewmodel code to a large extent. I used the blaster viewmodel on the briar hand model (still a necessity because it's responsible for the raising/lowering of the weapon among other things), hence the bad rotating (because as you'll note, the blaster.md3 is way differently rotated/positioned from the worldview).

There's still a few bugs that I need to work out though (stun baton looks fucked, for instance).

 

Now go forth and make me some GLAs and GLMs so I can properly finish this, damn it. <3

[minilogoguy18]

Gah, I'm still out of town so I can't do much of anything, maybe DT can whip something up.

 

I'm still excited to see progress has been made though, in the meantime feel free to work on the FBX importing to Md3View.

[eezstreet]

I don't know how to fix the UV issues, so that's currently dead in the water.

 

I'm going to put a mine monster (LOL) as a viewmodel weapon, see if I can animate it

[Tempust85]

I had a go at pinching SoF2's code and while it compiled, the game crashed upon switching to the weapon I wanted to load as a GLM. Someone with actual programming knowledge could get it to work I'm sure.

 

Probably would be good to use SoF2's code though, seeing as it allows for arms to be bolted to the weapon viewmodel which are changed when you select a different player model.

[eezstreet]

I had a go at pinching SoF2's code and while it compiled, the game crashed upon switching to the weapon I wanted to load as a GLM. Someone with actual programming knowledge could get it to work I'm sure.

 

Probably would be good to use SoF2's code though, seeing as it allows for arms to be bolted to the weapon viewmodel which are changed when you select a different player model.

The arms aren't actually bolted to the model at all. They use a specific animation which matches the gun's animations to a T. I suspect that we could get something similar to work with a modified _hand.md3 which has an extra tag for the actual hands.

However, the important thing is that I get it animated. Oddly enough, the mine monster doesn't use an external .gla but it works perfectly fine. I'd suggest looking into that model for a general idea how we could handle the GLM. As for the hands, I don't think it actually matters for JK2:HD in particular (and I don't anticipate more than one model being used anyway). We can always just swap those out and use a different GLM.

[Tempust85]

Well for modview at least, you load the weapon then bolt the left arm & right arm to the model_root bone. But yeah, first things first which is getting animated GLA for view models. For now the arms + weapon can be part of the same GLM. Here's the AK74 view model + GLA:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oc2z7lrmn9kmkaf/sof2_ak74.pk3

 

I've made an animation.cfg for it seeing as SoF2 ran off of .frames files. There's idle, reload, fire & melee animations.

[mrwonko]

Now go forth and make me some GLAs and GLMs so I can properly finish this, damn it. <3

Okay. Or do you need some specific bone and animation names? Or some tags? Tags are a pain...

[eezstreet]

Well for modview at least, you load the weapon then bolt the left arm & right arm to the model_root bone. But yeah, first things first which is getting animated GLA for view models. For now the arms + weapon can be part of the same GLM. Here's the AK74 view model + GLA:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oc2z7lrmn9kmkaf/sof2_ak74.pk3

 

I've made an animation.cfg for it seeing as SoF2 ran off of .frames files. There's idle, reload, fire & melee animations.

I'll take a look at it later tonight. Did you position it according to the Bryar's _hand.md3? otherwise it'll have...interesting positioning like the blaster rifle example above.

 

@@mrwonko: I need a tag_flash, and that's about it. Maybe a basic firing anim too. I'm mostly just rounding up what I can and testing stuff out. The model will also need to be positioned and scaled similar to how the Bryar pistol is scaled and rotated in its .md3.

[Tempust85]

It is a SoF2 weapon, I haven't edited it at all. The model itself looks to be a fair bit in front of the origin point in modview, so you *shouldn't* have an issue where it's positioned behind the first person view and you can't see it.

[eezstreet]

It is a SoF2 weapon, I haven't edited it at all. The model itself looks to be a fair bit in front of the origin point in modview, so you *shouldn't* have an issue where it's positioned behind the first person view and you can't see it.

hmk. Whenever I get it ingame I'll provide you with a screenshot so you can see where it's at.

We could also make the bryar's _hand.md3 a GLM as well, and make it have actual...um..hands as well as the original gun model (bolted via a tag)

[Tempust85]

Or could have the weapon + arms in the one GLM and ditch the _hand code.

[eezstreet]

Or could have the weapon + arms in the one GLM and ditch the _hand code.

I suppose, yeah.

[minilogoguy18]

What about using the player models arms but making it so that the rest of the model isn't rendered for the person using first person to help increase performance while reducing the need to make a set of arms to match every model?

 

Seems like if you made only arms/hands for the weapon they would never match the 3rd person model being used, you'd just have like Kyle arms and hands.

[eezstreet]

What about using the player models arms but making it so that the rest of the model isn't rendered for the person using first person to help increase performance while reducing the need to make a set of arms to match every model?

 

Seems like if you made only arms/hands for the weapon they would never match the 3rd person model being used, you'd just have like Kyle arms and hands.

Some issues with doing this:

• This doesn't actually increase performance, since the entire player model needs to be evaluated for animations, and either way, performance is not a key factor here.
• You then need to write out a text file for surfaces that need to be turned off, and modelers like to vary what surface names they use.
• Numerous issues with clipping, especially with stuff like rodians and grans which have oddly shaped hands
• The hands will be lower quality in general, as third person models aren't meant to be nearly as detailed as stuff in first person