Xeby Posted May 23, 2018 Posted May 23, 2018 A technical point of view for damage of Unstable Lightsabers. So.. after i decided to update my unstable lightsaber for my mod, i modify the damage of unstable lightsaber to 0.7 instead of 1.Because its a unstable lightsaber, the cuting power should be less than a stable lightsaber. What you guys think about this? Should be a standard damage (0.7 or less) for all unstable lightsabers out there ?
Boothand Posted May 23, 2018 Posted May 23, 2018 I mean, technically it's still a laser sword that would burn through any human. It seems more to me like it can't reliably contain its own energy, so it's a bit of a loose cannon, maybe randomly dealing much more or much less damage? Asgarath83 likes this
the_raven Posted May 23, 2018 Posted May 23, 2018 Either that, or it should be stronger. Then again, it could be fluctuating. General Howard likes this
Daedra Posted May 23, 2018 Posted May 23, 2018 Yeah, I really think if it's unstable, it's more powerful. Think of it as an atomic bomb. If it's stable, so it's relatively fine and it's controlled in power. If it's unstable, then it's way more dangerous and can spurt out bursts of energy resulting in way more damage. General Howard likes this
Xeby Posted May 24, 2018 Author Posted May 24, 2018 Can't be more powerful.. because is not focused like a stable lightsaber.. (we are talking about plasma weapons not bombs.. lol.. xD) so i will make the value 0.7 or 0.6 damage as standard for unstable lightsabers. the_raven likes this
AshuraDX Posted May 24, 2018 Posted May 24, 2018 Can't be more powerful.. because is not focused like a stable lightsaber.. (we are talking about plasma weapons not bombs.. lol.. xD) so i will make the value 0.7 or 0.6 damage as standard for unstable lightsabers.Let me drop this here:Kylo Ren's lightsaber was a crossguard lightsaber constructed sometime before or during the year 34 ABY by Kylo Ren, Supreme Leader of the First Order and master of the Knights of Ren. The lightsaber, based on an ancient design dating back to the Great Scourge of Malachor, contained a cracked Kyber crystal, requiring it to have lateral vents on either side of the handle in order to divert the extra heat generated by the crystal. Source:http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kylo_Ren%27s_lightsaber It seems that kylos unstable blade is not unstable due to a lack of power or a "bad" focusing system but instead due to an overexcess of power which can not be contained and confined to the highly compressed state of a regular lightsaber blade. It lashes out like a raging fire.It does not just fuck up whats hit by the main core of the blade but also wrecks whatever is hit by the random sparks around the blade. Therefore I would up the damage or keep it the same as with regular sabers. General Howard, Boothand, the_raven and 1 other like this
Boothand Posted May 24, 2018 Posted May 24, 2018 Besides, shouldn't rare/special weapons and items by design be more powerful or have some other unique strength? Not that I know the context, if this is for a mod of yours or something.
Xeby Posted May 24, 2018 Author Posted May 24, 2018 Let me drop this here:Source:http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kylo_Ren%27s_lightsaber It seems that kylos unstable blade is not unstable due to a lack of power or a "bad" focusing system but instead due to an overexcess of power which can not be contained and confined to the highly compressed state of a regular lightsaber blade. It lashes out like a raging fire.It does not just fuck up whats hit by the main core of the blade but also wrecks whatever is hit by the random sparks around the blade. Therefore I would up the damage or keep it the same as with regular sabers. This is a weird explanation.. especially when... i quote "contained a cracked Kyber crystal" ... LOL
Rooxon Posted May 24, 2018 Posted May 24, 2018 This is a weird explanation.. especially when... i quote "contained a cracked Kyber crystal" ... LOLNah it's not really strange if you think about it - the explanation is quite logical. A cracked kyber crystal would not transfer the power as neatly as a solid one, it'd lash out, free the heat through the crack - thus making it overheat. Throw a couple of vents in there to divert that extra heat et voila. And now with that said, since the extra heat is being diverted in Kylo's saber, I'd keep the damage the same at damageScale 1.0 - if it was on a saber without vents, however, going by this logic, it'd be safe to assume that it has to be a bit stronger (hotter so well yeah more cutting power -> stronger) than the regular everyday saber. the_raven and General Howard like this
Xeby Posted May 24, 2018 Author Posted May 24, 2018 Nah it's not really strange if you think about it - the explanation is quite logical. A cracked kyber crystal would not transfer the power as neatly as a solid one, it'd lash out, free the heat through the crack - thus making it overheat. Throw a couple of vents in there to divert that extra heat et voila. And now with that said, since the extra heat is being diverted in Kylo's saber, I'd keep the damage the same at damageScale 1.0 - if it was on a saber without vents, however, going by this logic, it'd be safe to assume that it has to be a bit stronger (hotter so well yeah more cutting power -> stronger) than the regular everyday saber.Hell no.. by this logic a cracked Kyber crystal should more powerful than normal one.. that's impossible.
Daedra Posted May 24, 2018 Posted May 24, 2018 Xeby. It's more powerful. That's all there is to it. General Howard and the_raven like this
Solution Xeby Posted May 24, 2018 Author Solution Posted May 24, 2018 Nah.. that will never happen... when the saber lose heat on that vent holes... never mind.. for me my standard for unstable lightsabers will be 0.7 damage, in Kylo Ren case 0.6 (because of the vents). Case closed.
the_raven Posted May 24, 2018 Posted May 24, 2018 I still didn't understand what all this was about. You're making some kind of major overhaul mod, or just a (yet another) Kylo hilt, but with added effects? What of the photo in the OP? Looks more like a real life lightsaber recreation. Also, no need to 'close case', if you were looking for an answer, you had to be ready not to like it, ya know? But i do get your opinion on the vents, it kinda makes sense too. Rooxon likes this
Rooxon Posted May 24, 2018 Posted May 24, 2018 Hell no.. by this logic a cracked Kyber crystal should more powerful than normal one.. that's impossible.Well we actually have facts that back this up so it's possible and nothing strange about it. Think of it as a damaged battery - it will heat up and swell up because it cannot function properly, and as said - it has to lose heat and have those vents exactly because it's producing too much of it. But it's all fiction anyway, you are free to have any personal opinion you want about it. But I agree with newt and what he said last - you wanted to discuss it, we're doing just that mate... General Howard likes this
Daedra Posted May 24, 2018 Posted May 24, 2018 If there's a crack in a gas pipe, it releases gas which is more dangerous than there being no crack as it would be contained prior to the crack. In this case, the Kyber crystal has a crack, it's leaking raw energy. Extra vents are added to contain it. It's really as simple as that. It's technically more powerful, but with the side vents it would roughly be the same as a regular saber. General Howard and Rooxon like this
General Howard Posted May 25, 2018 Posted May 25, 2018 If there's a crack in a gas pipe, it releases gas which is more dangerous than there being no crack as it would be contained prior to the crack. In this case, the Kyber crystal has a crack, it's leaking raw energy. Extra vents are added to contain it. It's really as simple as that. It's technically more powerful, but with the side vents it would roughly be the same as a regular saber.You're clearly wasting your time trying to explain it to him. He obviously won't budge on his decision, no matter what we try and say.. My whole viewpoint on this though, is why make a thread and ask for other people's opinions, when you're just gonna go with your own answer, in the first place? It's just redundant. Wasa likes this
Futuza Posted May 25, 2018 Posted May 25, 2018 My thoughts were that unstable blades were going to mean more raw power (damage), but also meant is was prone to shorting out randomly, slowly draining the power of the blade (thus requiring a new energy cell much more frequently than stable blades), it also made it produce unusual magnetic fields that caused it to be more difficult to handle and unwieldy as it interacted with other saber blades and other magnetized weaponry. In terms of gameplay this would cause it to have a random chance every minute of shutting off for 10 seconds, do about 1.3x more damage, but also be more prone to failing to block (weaker saber blocking). But do what you want, if you want it to just be a weaker broken blade that's cool. Wasa likes this
Xeby Posted May 25, 2018 Author Posted May 25, 2018 My thoughts were that unstable blades were going to mean more raw power (damage), but also meant is was prone to shorting out randomly, slowly draining the power of the blade (thus requiring a new energy cell much more frequently than stable blades), it also made it produce unusual magnetic fields that caused it to be more difficult to handle and unwieldy as it interacted with other saber blades and other magnetized weaponry. In terms of gameplay this would cause it to have a random chance every minute of shutting off for 10 seconds, do about 1.3x more damage, but also be more prone to failing to block (weaker saber blocking). But do what you want, if you want it to just be a weaker broken blade that's cool.Is normal to be a weaker lightsaber, because of the cracked kyber crystal.. so yeah.. in terms of gameplay, my damage will be 0.7 to 0.6 for unstable lightsabers... with new gfx blade effect.
AshuraDX Posted May 25, 2018 Posted May 25, 2018 @@Xeby there is one thing that makes no sense to me:Why did you even bother making this thread if you are just going to ignore any other suggestions than your own? General Howard and the_raven like this
Asgarath83 Posted May 25, 2018 Posted May 25, 2018 IMHO, because a crystal is pretty unstable can deal more dmg of normal... or more less... so...i suppose the thrue kylo ren saber float its damage between 0.7-1.3.. pity is not possible to make a flotaign saberdamage value into SAB files without code hack.
Daedra Posted May 25, 2018 Posted May 25, 2018 IMHO, because a crystal is pretty unstable can deal more dmg of normal... or more less... so...i suppose the thrue kylo ren saber float its damage between 0.7-1.3.. pity is not possible to make a flotaign saberdamage value into SAB files without code hack. 1.1 saber damage seems reasonable. I may make that adjustment in some .sab files I have.
Asgarath83 Posted May 25, 2018 Posted May 25, 2018 1.1 saber damage seems reasonable. I may make that adjustment in some .sab files I have.sounds good. the little more dmg amount can really give the idea of player of a saber unstable.However.-.. a Kyber crystal... mmm ah not, i confuse with the Kaybur gem. okay.i was thinks about that fath that a Sith can imbue also lightsabers with his rage. based on a star wars comic i read recently about the first days of darth vader, he retrieve his red lightsaber killing some one or finding it on emperor order in a remote smuggler planet. and after, he imbue the saber with his rage and sorrow. so letterally, in vader case, is not a saber with a syntethic crystal, but a saber when the crystals, that are "alive " in a certain sense, and in symbiosis with his jedi \ forceuser, was imbued with Vader rage and hate until the crystal "bleeding" changing to red.
Xeby Posted May 25, 2018 Author Posted May 25, 2018 @@Xeby there is one thing that makes no sense to me:Why did you even bother making this thread if you are just going to ignore any other suggestions than your own? The answer is pretty simple: i was thinking here (jkhub.org) are more technical people.. but is not the case (only fanboys). The technical people are so few in this days... for example @@Asgarath83 is one of the few.
Daedra Posted May 25, 2018 Posted May 25, 2018 sounds good. the little more dmg amount can really give the idea of player of a saber unstable.However.-.. a Kyber crystal... mmm ah not, i confuse with the Kaybur gem. okay.i was thinks about that fath that a Sith can imbue also lightsabers with his rage. based on a star wars comic i read recently about the first days of darth vader, he retrieve his red lightsaber killing some one or finding it on emperor order in a remote smuggler planet. and after, he imbue the saber with his rage and sorrow. so letterally, in vader case, is not a saber with a syntethic crystal, but a saber when the crystals, that are "alive " in a certain sense, and in symbiosis with his jedi \ forceuser, was imbued with Vader rage and hate until the crystal "bleeding" changing to red. From http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kyber_crystal The crystals were noted for their unmatched ability to channel energy and generate enormous returns. To this end, numerous individuals attempted to make synthetic kyber crystals, though their artificial nature made them highly unstable and explosive. Specifically, when one giant kyber crystal was destabilised by Saw Gerrera, it absorbed so much energy that when it finally did reach critical mass, it exploded with enough force to destroy both the freighter transporting it and a nearby Star Destroyer.[14] For centuries, the Jedi cut and faceted the crystals to eliminate occlusions and intensify their power yield. Galen Erso theorized that larger crystals needed to be faceted, not only to eliminate these occlusions, but also to minimize diffraction resulting from the introduction of energy from a lasing medium. With proper faceting, the pulse of energy released by the crystal could be greatly amplified and, with the help of containment devices, provide inexpensive power for developing worlds, or be directed into a collimating beam of incredible power; as was used on the DS-1 battle station. Kylo Ren's lightsaber had a cracked kyber crystal, which generated an unstable blade. The excess power was vented out the sides, thus creating a crossguard-like design.[19] The most important and prestigious vessels of the First Order had weapons upgraded with kyber crystals from some secret source in the Unknown Regions. If that's not technical enough, then I don't know what is. Futuza, AshuraDX and Rooxon like this
AshuraDX Posted May 25, 2018 Posted May 25, 2018 The answer is pretty simple: i was thinking here (jkhub.org) are more technical people.. but is not the case (only fanboys). The technical people are so few in this days... for example @@Asgarath83 is one of the few.I was literally citing the canon source on the power of kylo's saber@Kylo went even further into star wars lore and rudimentary physics than me with his last post here.
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