videop2 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Well, the JKA defrag in question has added CPM/air control physics just like how Q3 defrag has added CPM physics.JKA defrag uses the same approach quake live race did for weapons, inifite ammo for rockets. (same speed/dmg/muzzlepoint as q3 rockets btw).Upmove bug:In Q3 your horizontal speed is affected by your upmove cmd in PM_CmdScale. This led to scripts/cheats that would send the lowest possible upmove for the lowest possible duration to avoid speedloss. RIK/Reflex/WSW ditched this but it still remains in Q3. Velocity snapping:https://projectrik.com/forum/max-accel-anglesRik, warsow(?), reflex(?) ditched it, but it remains in defrag.Q3 Defrag has CPM and VQ3, JKA defrag has siege, jka, cpm, vq3, wsw, cpm+forcejump, rocketjump q3/cpm, swoop, jetpack.Just to be clear, my argument was never that JKA physics are necessarily better or more dynamic for strafe, just that the extra features and multi-course per map functionality makes it more worthwhile. Certainly some people perfer JKA style physics but I don't know how I would form an agrument saying its better. Link to comment
Grab Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Yes, jka's ctf community is quite pathetic too ... It just so happens to be that there are literally aspects in there, that you can not find in better, and solid games, like quake. So it's being played. I have yet to see why that would also apply on jka 'defrag', hence the question. Further, no, you can't say that about every other gametype and no it's not just 'similar' ... it's literally based on quake. https://jkhub.org/images/fE80iHH.jpg Could you explain me why is ctf community pathetic(too)? Link to comment
videop2 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Right, so. Why am I - so often - seeing someone doing large maps, with large corners, that don't seem to go particularly quick (relatively)? You all just .. accept bad map design? Or is it - like I mentioned in my very first comment - more like something that happened because of maps that were designed like that in jedi outcast? I don't really follow.. 90% of the maps played are ported from quake 3. They are pretty standard Q3 defrag maps. When someone says a map is "from jk2" in this context they usually mean it was also ported to JK2 from quake 3. Same with when someone says a map is "from warsow". So to say that those maps are badly designed and then to say people should play q3 defrag instead is somewhat contradictory. I don't know what maps with "large corners" means, or "particularily quick" means (time or velocity)? There are plenty of short courses, as well as courses with high average velocities. Link to comment
videop2 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 JKA CPM run with sharp turns and air control, ok. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMdOtuJrRWY&list=PLUne1zELrE5l5c6rEQmJd29x0cOoR66A1&index=2 edit: heres another I'll make a note to upload more CPM runs if I ever get around to uploading often again. (I mostly focused on JKA style in the past). But whats more relevant is that sharp 180 degree turns are not the norm in q3 defrag, and in WsW (the game and the jka mode) they are usually dealt with by using dash not air control. Kane likes this Link to comment
Acrobat Posted August 28, 2015 Author Share Posted August 28, 2015 jk2/jk3 is quake 3 engine. Link to comment
Kane Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 the japro defrag mod is rly good imo, disables exploits like wallbug/upmove while staying true to the pure cpm physics of quake defrag. there is no guns with the cpm movementstyle, there is 2 styles called rjq3/rjcpm that behave like vq3 with rockets, cpm with rockets. this vid is a first person view of me doing killua-hayaku equivalent ranking on quake defrag - http://q3df.org/records/details?map=killua-hayaku Hugo likes this Link to comment
Veosar Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 So explain to me again, why do people not understand that copying larger quake maps in jka and then running around in them - awkwardly trying to go faster using force jump - seems a bit dumb to do when you can just go play quake defrag, reflex, projectrik, or warsow race, or xonotic defrag or any other game / mod that has much more id_tech 3 -like physics (http://www.reddit.com/r/arenafps). Because doing this in jedi knight academy (outside of maybe some speed running in SP and trick jumping) makes you look like wannabe quake defrag pro. At least quake has some competition in that area and it's solid. People probably like quake, and then try to do the same in jka. But come on, just stick to what the game is good at. Don't force it into wanting it to be something it isn't. I think some of this may have transfered over from jk2 and who am I to judge what you should be doing ... but come on ... seriously? TL;DW: youtube.com/watch?v=ub28SGKT7LM&t=2m32s TL;DW: youtube.com/watch?v=9djsllJ1E58&t=1m14s TL;DW: youtube.com/watch?v=DAjXCWHVJh8&t=1m58s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tEB6bWqKI0&t=5m15s TL;DW: youtube.com/watch?v=7tEB6bWqKI0&t=5m15s I can't believe there still are such toxic people in this community. JK3 is dying, man, in case you didn't notice. Why can't you just shut up and be happy about cool stuff like this, still coming out from people? How can you ever expect the game to reborn, if you keep this attitiude . I'm shocked. Circa, Darth Martyr and Jeff like this Link to comment
hleV Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I too do not find sense in doing this stuff in JKA, besides perhaps the desire to brag about one's achievements that are obtained easier due to smaller community. Let me just recreate some map in a game nobody plays and brag about making speedrun records in it. Link to comment
Eternal Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I too do not find sense in doing this stuff in JKA, besides perhaps the desire to brag about one's achievements that are obtained easier due to smaller community. Let me just recreate some map in a game nobody plays and brag about making speedrun records in it.You also need to keep in mind that the defrag community itself is small. Players from both Warsow Race and Q3DF have been to this JKA server and broken a few records. Although those records are also being reclaimed by JKA defraggers. It just goes to show how competent we are. JKA Defrag brings something new to the table; allowing you to do multiple physic styles and multiple race courses without changing server settings or maps. Also, this a-mountain map is an original map made in JK2 by Acrobat. Link to comment
Nozyspy Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 blackout time of 7:48 improved from source's time Youtube below Blimey, that is some impressive skill there! Darth Martyr and Circa like this Link to comment
Nozyspy Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Hey I actually reviewed Y-Mountain... I just found the review, if anyone is interested. We never did have A-Mountain on JKFiles though. Y-Mountain, sequel to Z-Mountain (perhaps there will be an X-Mountain too?) is basically one huge climbing puzzle, as you will soon realise when you start the map up! Indeed, this type of map reminds me strongly of some of the climbing type levels from the Tomb Raider games, and also oddly enough, the setting reminds me of the Sulon levels from Dark Forces 2. Whilst the map works on a simple principle; getting to the top, it is very well made and is actually pretty difficult. In fact I didn't even make it up to the first level... Ehem, mind you, I was a little lazy! stick out tongue As you explore the map, you will find lots of little nooks and crannies and hidden passageways which will help you reach the top, where you will have a better view of that unusual skybox. The choice of music is pretty unusual for this kind of map, but I actually think it fits pretty well and sounded good. At the bottom of the map is a marshy type of area with a few trees and some water, surrounded by those huge vertical cliffs, the effect of which is pretty striking. I do have one gripe though, which concerns the water in the bottom of the map. The water isn't actually water... rather it is solid, and when you stand on it you slide across it like ice, which is kind of strange, considering you are expecting to be swimming instead! Personally I think the water shader here should be changed so it is actually water, rather than being solid and slippery. Other than that though I found the map to be very well made. All in all a nice puzzle themed map here, if you liked the older Tomb Raider games, or like puzzle maps in general, then this will suit you perfectly! smile Bot Support: YesNew Textures: YesNew Sounds: NoNew Music: YesGame Types: FFA, Duel ~Nozyspy~ Link to comment
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