Onysfx, haha would love that. Zelda (and mario with the never-ending stairs) had some great concepts. Zack!!!!! You've brought me back in business. The roll did the trick. As for the patch mesh, I have tried that a couple of times, but it leaks the mirror it seems. For now I'll just use a clip (patch mesh) to hold the player in. When trying it out in game after doing the roll-parameter, I actually scared myself. Like, I got chills, surprised by how it worked. Still need a few tweaks, but expect a little pk3 showcase of it for those who play JK2 here... soon enough! Thanks!