New Modview

[Xycaleth]

Not yet, but I've had a look around to see what would potentially need to be done.

[Archangel35757]

What do you think of the new toolbar? Oh and I fixed the broken rendering with transparent textures. (Also I realise I'm missing some icons)

 

I use the incremental speed up & slow down play buttons to slow down animations mainly to look for flaws... I'm sure @@DT85 uses that as well. I don't see those buttons like the legacy modview... I need to download your version and try it out.

[Archangel35757]

Not possible without rewriting the ModView renderer, but it's mostly lots of copy and paste from the JKA renderer. The ModView renderer is literally a stripped down version of the original anyway so it'll just be like stuffing a turkey But instead of stuffing or whatever else you put in a turkey, you put back the  original bits that got taken out

 

Please add the necessary render support to preview shaders-- especially normal maps!

[Archangel35757]

If Raven releases the EffectsED code to us... it would be awesome to see EFX that are associated with the player, character, or vehicle... maybe bolt-on weapons as well. E.g. would be nice to see Force lightning eminate from fingers (when that anim plays).

[Tempust85]

Would be great to have a moving/moveable lightsource, would make creating specular a lot easier (it never looks the same as in other apps, so I'm constantly tweaking). Yeah, speed up/down is needed for sure.

 

Here's a wishlist for the ultimate ModView:

 

- moving/moveable light source
- shader support (including anim textures, glow, specular, etc)
- able to load effects (would help tag position & orientation on models)
- migrate MD3View into ModView
- ability to play animevents sounds WITHOUT having to load an external player similar to EffectsED
- decent floor texture, & have floor default to 0,0,0 position (so we don't have to keep enabling it and then move floor to lowest model point)

[Archangel35757]

I think the sound issue was related to them hard coding a link to where winamp (mp3) player should be... I think an external player is fine as long as you can set the path in a preference option.

[Tempust85]

Well it loads windows media player for me and it NEVER plays in-sync so it's pretty much a useless feature.

[Archangel35757]

Maybe I'm thinking EffectsED.

[Tempust85]

EffectsED works great, yeah. Something like this would be good.

[Xycaleth]

- ability to play animevents sounds WITHOUT having to load an external player similar to EffectsED

- decent floor texture, & have floor default to 0,0,0 position (so we don't have to keep enabling it and then move floor to lowest model point)

How would the animevents sounds get played then? They play in the event an animation has reached frame X, but without a model you don't have an animation

 

What would a "decent" floor texture look like? Using (0, 0, 0) for the floor position isn't the best idea - for player models this would mean the floor goes through the waist. Perhaps set the floor position to the lowest model point when it gets loaded?

[Tempust85]

1) I think you misunderstood what I meant about animevents. Right now, the sound (when sounds is enabled through the menu) is played through an external media player (ie windows media player) and doesn't sync well if at all with the animations. This is largely due to the time it takes to load the media player, then to load the sound in the media player each time a sound is to be played. My solution - an internal sound player for Modview like EffectsED.

 

2) Ok, how about a default of -24?  Decent as in an actual texture, checkers is awful. A solid color (with a color picker for the floor) would be best now I think of it.

Edited August 30, 2014 by DT85

[Xycaleth]

Ah I see. When you say player, you mean sound player lol

 

How about just a wireframe grid for the floor? Like in most 3d modeling programs?

[AshuraDX]

will work aswell , another option would be an exchangeable floor.jpg in the modview folder, just as it's done for EffectsED or you could leave options :

grid, "solid color floor" and "load floor texture"

[Xycaleth]

Interesting, it looks like the ModView code we have is slightly out of date compared to the ModView that was released in the SDK. It's missing the code for the "best-fit model to screen" button as well as the icon.

[Tempust85]

Yeah, and I think it also is missing the .md5mesh reading (which doesn't work due to incorrect version) not that it's needed.

[Xycaleth]

OS X version looks a bit odd with the toolbar there...

 

[ensiform]

Slight hijack but I started designing a basic Assimilate Qt port:
 

 

[Archangel35757]

How would the animevents sounds get played then? They play in the event an animation has reached frame X, but without a model you don't have an animation

 

What would a "decent" floor texture look like? Using (0, 0, 0) for the floor position isn't the best idea - for player models this would mean the floor goes through the waist. Perhaps set the floor position to the lowest model point when it gets loaded?

Isn't the EffectED sound player external? That's why mp3 (winamp) is broken, right? As for the floor texture... just let us choose the checker board colors. The checker size should also be an option and IMO set as a multiple of GtKRadiant (8, 16, 32, etc.)- so we can use to judge player movement away from origin. Checker pattern helps judge/see lateral/longitudinal movement.

 

@@Xycaleth... I like the idea of setting the floor to the correct "game world" floor. You could leave the option to set the floor to the lowest part of the character. If you enable a solid floor color-selectable option... at least provide a size-selectable "grid-overlay" option.

[Circa]

OS X version looks a bit odd with the toolbar there...

 

I can deal with that. It'll look even more weird on 10.10 Yosemite. only other option would be to match OS X style icons.

[ensiform]

OSX users so picky about their software matching their OS rather than being more concerned with it being x-plat 

[Circa]

OSX users so picky about their software matching their OS rather than being more concerned with it being x-plat

Guilty.

[Tempust85]

Hopefully it will be easy enough to bring over my changes. (assimilate) 

[Xycaleth]

@@Xycaleth... I like the idea of setting the floor to the correct "game world" floor. You could leave the option to set the floor to the lowest part of the character. If you enable a solid floor color-selectable option... at least provide a size-selectable "grid-overlay" option.

The problem with correct "game-world" floor is it depends on the game code, and won't always be the same for different models. The best I can do is lowest point on model (the floor position won't update with the animation so it'll be a fixed position).

[Tempust85]

Just have it at model_root.

[ensiform]

@@DT85 I don't know if I plan to get anywhere with it since I don't even know what Assimilate really does/looks like.  I'm not a modeler/animator so it would be hard to try to implement the rest of it.

 

ShaderEd would be more my area, but I always have issues getting a GL widget working in QT and this is no different.

 

Ultimately I think the tools code should have a shared codedbase with some of the basic stuff that is shared between all of them and cleaner/redone.  Like some engine/"quake" functions etc.  Dunno.