Asgarath83

mmm i'm missing something??? O.o someone call me... well i'm pretty busy today for answer decently but i see a little and strong change of view regard remaking or rebooting reedint and re ditribuction of porting stuff... oh well man... is a complicated stuff... recently i was talking with a friend about the copyrights. now i wanna make a game with my modding skills but i have considered also all copyright issues.. and intellectual properties, and porting etc etc etc problems. starting for point: 1 the source code... for what i now JKA source code and Openjk now are under GNU licences so techically ... with a big amount of works and code editing should be possible also to use JKA code as base for build a code for a commercial new game. BUT... on the code is a disclaimer about that pretty clear. is possible to edit, distribuite etc the source code. just... credits that original code is from raven and you works build stuff on raven and lucas arts stuff. So not tell "oh i write all this code. is mine and i have intellettual propertries on that and right. cause is not true. THIS is the true stolen, i guess." Internet is based on free share of contains. if someone is hosted on web technically become world common patrimonium. But...obvious... there are laws and rights, as all humans stuff. if you are making something of privates for your own use, or for distribuite with few loyalty friend, no one curse or blame or persecute youb for using porting stuff or kitbashing or frankensteining of other artist, i guess. the trouble is when some one make a distribution of ported stuff, from a company or a modder or another artist, claim as his own creation... i thinks that is correct and fine ever make credits and permissions to the ported stuff for credits the original job of other artistis. also if author tell "not edit thios model map \ until my permission" is a nice and smart thing ask ever to the author if you want freely publish and update on jkhub moddb or whatever site his work. the things change if you want to make something of commercial. in that case, u need at least to tribute with credits all people from you get models, sounds, code, etc... and also give a royal % or eventual sells money cash. mmm i'm italian my english is far from perfection. be patiente. for what i see recently about copyrights well...https://www.wikihow.it/Comprare-i-Diritti-Cinematografici-di-un%27Opera i really hope there is apage on english aboiut that. exist something called "contract of options" or something like that. basically the owner of an oppera give the permission to another to use their opera and give a licence of use temporany the right on that in exchange of an amount of money and a % of royality about selling and distributiuon of stuff. yes there laws and copyright, and also, stolen a stuff can give a lot of trouble if the author discover that. also legal troubles. but is also possible to find ever a solution or make a deal or a compromise that solve all. it's ever what does mature and reasonable peoples. i'm an author of a science fiction solarpunk science fantasy saga into real life. i not sold out much book so i want to try to make a game on that using JKA as base for thart. but clearly i'll never did "i am the owner of JKA sourcer code, openjk etc." this make me sure a thief lol. obvious i ever credits the openjk source, all coder that create and allow the existance of open jk, lucas arts itself for created jka game etc etc. if i use a map, i sure credit author, but i want to make my map itself instead of use map of others. there is a way to make map more fastly on traditional radiant brushes working. well a map is not a rigid model. is a bunch of brushes and patches. Can be splitted into his prefab partts. architectonic elements, grouhnds, doors, patches, simple forms... saved into other projects as func_groups and retextured and changed geometries. the entire map is a production of a modder. if you use an entire map and share that hosting into a site you need at least to tell "ehy i not did this make, is a works of "moddername" and i edit that and that and this. well however, what i means is that for my own... i plans to use prefabs parts brushes for builds my enviroments, and make terrains by myself. also, is again experimental but thewre is a way to convert models from 3d studio max into brushes and patchs map prefabs, that can be used as func_group and architectural elements. if this is used into the correct way can help to build maps , exactly in a way like works the "foundtry system" level build of mmorpg like neverwinrer online. about copyright... i checked a lot of stuff cause obvious... i'm not a modeler and i need to creating my models by myself .. or however, if a portt something, i need ever to take on mind the permissions about that. cause i now also how to ports on 3d max animations and rigged model of not humanoi sdtuff of a mmmorg.that tecnically can easy be ported into JKA... well i checked the rights and copyright term of this free mmorpg. and they told "is possible to use, edit, share the parts of this software but all the rights on ported material are ours." about spore instead.-.. spore should be an amazing game for sculpt creatures, monsters, building, vehicles and starship but is restricted on a EULA that forced to use spore creation only inside spore itself... So this is the more problematic stuff. also retexturing building etc... once time you export as collada or 3dr with 3d ripper and get into blender on max and you can rig etc with jka skeleton or whatevcer.., here can give you troubles... and also, spore is HD high polyshed stuff that blow up the restriction of old JKA engine. LOL... so is not exactly the best way. The more smart thing, at this point, is to use the spore primitive as stamp and build a new geometry around that with the tools of 3d max 2010. and totally remake uvmapping and textures... so basically you make your own primitive arm tail, leg, claw etc from a 3d scrath of a previous model. there is also another way however... there are many site on web, as opengameart, free3d, or turbosquid or blendswap. they sells models, but they share also many free stuff. architecture, creatures, models. there is a Ton of free stuff on these site. Also the CC models and stuff scattered on web. creative commmon licenced stuff can be used free and need just to credits the authors. i am using at moment an asset of body parts of a site ful a CC stuff. i'm making unwrapping of all stuff, cause is without uvmapping and with not texutre. this is useful for kitbashing and building the characters of my opera and help me to give a 3d appereance of my races. oh well... i really go over and turn around the central point. for be short... porting? well is the essence itself of web at the end... but you need ever to be respectul from the provenience of ported material. on the original author, modder, developers, modder or software house. if you take for your personal use, you can do whaterver you think. if you share into web. well... credits ever the author of pieces that you use for kitbashings, or told that original models are from "..." this is what i think is the better way. if you want to host here on JKHUB be sure to have permission of original modders. is a clear sentence that you need to subscrive when hosting stuff here. only, never claim as yourself the works of others. in case of my saga i can tell that is MINE the history, the lore, the races, the worlds. but is i use a ported models for make one of my creatures... for example an Hypopode of a vulcanic world,.. i cannot tell "i did this my hand!" i'll tell "this is a 3d rapresentation of an hypopode of my opera using 3d model. origjnal models is of Bblabla... piece is of blablablabla... texturing for kindness and concession of blablablabla." etc etc etc. i think this should be the more nice and smart and correct way to use porting stuff. well now i need to go. have a nice day men!

bro, you can easy download blender from the site of the developers. about the kitbashing, i am more familiar with 3d studio max but however lol my pc, as machine etc is a new processor of 2013 .. is just OS that is old. : 3

all is possible... if you know how do that, man. :\ some features of Hud should be into cg_main.cpp of the code. related to weapons and force power scrolls icons matrix. but i am sorry but i not know much of HUD and UI code at moment. sure can ask you some more experienced than me.

send now, sorry for late >.<

Oh... damn understood... so he cannot help me. Okay i have not more idea about have a model with fine reset transform on skeleton and mesh without doing afull re-rig of the meshes itselfs. :\ at this point i really think the unique way is to fix the script itself, almost for have an imported skeleton correctly oriented. if not is unuseful. ._. also if i reset the mesh transforms, because the skeleton itself is flipped, every time i change something or i select the meshes itselfs with skins they flips too into the more strange positions.

@@ChalklYne okay really i need a little hint. into the sense that i need that you send me on private message the fixed tunneltrigger models and an explanation of how reset transforms of meshes and skeletons steps by steps. i ported the model into 3d max 2010 and using the XSI exporter get on this forum i get many progress now i can see the model on modview with the correct orientation but i need again to understand how to reset model transforms without lose is skinning. every my tentative to copy skin by original mesh to cloned transformed and resetted meshes or to skinwrap these meshes for apply skins failed. into the first case, i get a deformed model, into the second case, i cannot build the model because carcass told me that skin wrap bad wrapping the model: many vertexes get more of 5 bones into the rig (and the correct rig is of 4 bones max for JKA i know) at this point, i suspect that is unuseful to reset the transformes of mesh models without before reset the skeleton itself alignment and orientation. can you explain me how i can do that and how can i get a perfectly resetted model? (possibly, without losing skin on max 2010 i can copy skins between two identical meshes without lose envelopes. it works fine but before of do that, transofrms need to be totally resetted into the correct way) thanks for every answer.

@@ChalklYne can you pass me your fixed file of model? with all the good will i got 3 serious trouble to fix on radiant. 1: the creation on XSi exporting \ glm -gla building of a fake dummy called maxsceneroot pivot that rotate the model 2: the bad skinniong transform. also with resetted transforfm and temptative to save and copy the envelopes of the mesh for not re do the rigging. well if i take the old skin model on modview is totally deformed (i tryed also with a spider). if i remove a skin and i make a model re-rig totally new enveloping with only a bone, just for have a rigid basic skin i get the spider not deformed into modview, but rotated of 90° degress with this fake dummy as pivot. model_root dummy is disapperead. so... i should really need to see how should be a working fixed model. can you upload your example? (need to be a files openable to 3d max 5 or 2010 ) Not got any success with FBX however. the FBX GLM converted utility not run on my old OS.

pity "not valid win 32 application". well, not surprise: i have win 32 windows XP SP3 and visual studio 2010. However by filmbox exporter. it crashes max if i export with animations. without animations it fired me warning about the negative scales that get the model into some bones. i guess the problem should be also that. Okay, i will manage it with 3d max and assimilate. at the end i am sure i will get something. i can fix it just now... only, i want to find a way for avoid to re-reskin all models @.@

well re-exported one of my oldest humanoid model and it works. so is not crappy the XSI exporter. otherwise XSi exporter and assimilate seems really to not help me on this tasks. now i need to go. i will return this evening. chulky, if you find the link of the FBX-GLM converter can you post here in this thread, please? >.< so this evening i test it fast. i have not much time on the even for stay on computer.

I try this morning with a spider model proved with all his animations already into the timeframe slide. i detached in only two meshes and i created a pretty simply hierarchy. i detached and reset x form to model_root pivot, and to mesh itself, also if they are skinned, without removing skin. after a lot of reset x form, changing value to move, rotate fields and "collapse to" of xform modifier now on max the spider seems moving fine (ok, except that legs moves like bones now are mirrored or maybe is the mesh that is mirrored ROTFL ) otherwise all moves of meshes are to 0 0 0, rotate idem. compiled as GLA \ GLM... same garbade of tunneltrigger. now i tryed to removed the skin modifier. and the spider body magically flipped by 90 degress on vertical axis... wonderful... at this point i fear really that i have not other solutions that re-do the skin. but in that case... Chulky, you now some script or every workaround possible on max for trasfer rig parameter by a mesh to another? so i can remove skin, fixed this damned transform and re apply skin without lose the envelopes. and it should be works. finally. i hope. otherwise yes, i need really to try to change export format. but how get inside JKA the fbx? Yes, i noticed that XSI create a strange max_scene root flipped and unuseful as pivot and this sure not help to have a goodnot deformed model. again i not understan why it do that if with humanoid models every thing ever works fine. the dummies are the same at the ends.. so why not recognize the dummy? >_>

Okay, i am trying to figure that working directly on the source of problem, so, fixing the importing scripts of animations and models but i had not get much lucks in that sense. i need just two little fix of the incriminated scripts. the ski \ bon impored scripts need to be scripted for avoid to flipping the transforms spaces, and the stck animation scripts need a little fix for copy the animations after frame zero instead to overwrite all scene anim keys,., so it not overwrite the root pose. can you help me to fix these, @@AshuraDX?

Sigh... you are pretty right chulky... https://postimg.cc/xXjnHXm9 i dislink all meshes , collapse hierarchy, remove skin reset x form of all meshes and i get the model flipped of 90° XD... i skipped this problem because is easy to fix. i re-hierarched all, i skinned alls mesh with 1 skill modifier, just to pelvis bone, i build the root.xsi, compilted gla and glm... and ... voilà... on modview is not more streched or deformed. so i need to apply reset x form to all meshes for reset their transforming... it's okay but if there is some way to avoid to re-rig all model, or almost a way to import the skin properties from two max files for avoid a vvery tedious re-weighting for every model should be great. However i not again understand why create a pivot called max scene root during XSI exporting >.< . all models of raven and also custom animated animals monsters get model_root as pivot dummy. what i did of wrong what dummies about that? :-. maybe is because i not linked skeleton to skeleton_root dummy? well i did not these because if i link main_root dummy of model to skeleton_root and i import animation model is highly deformed and stretche out on max... (looking bettere. is the same kind of deformation that i see on modview with a not transform resetted model...) Aw, it's an headache. okay.. resuming. i have just two question now: 1: is there some way to reset transforms without losing skinning? 2: for the animations... there is some way to merge two animations inside the same max files? for what i understood every animation exported on XSI need to get the root pose on the frame 0. and other frames contain the movements. so i need to add to root pose the frames of other animations. the script that i use that import stck overwrite all frames if i import an animation into the scene.

Okay, now i am awake read better . good morning. Ji have just a request: can you provide me your fixed files? i wanna see exactly what i need to reproduce. basically if i understood fine... language barrier sigh... i wanna a babel fish >.< however... 1: i need to remove the skin by meshes? 2: how to flip the skeleton? on max i see is fine, but the pivot dummis effectly are rotated by -180 on Y axis. i need to apply a reset X form to these dummies? 3: after that i apply reset x form to meshes too and i re rig and re hierarchy all? well, there is a little problem on that. i was hoping to avoid to my self the pain works of rigging every mob model. is truely a pity 'cause SKI \ BON \ STCK imported import the model already rigged and weighted fine. (but maybe i misunderstunding,. i have not much clear the difference between rig, and weight. i am told about weighting however: assisn skin and bone to mesh and assign weight value at every damn vertexes of meshes. is weight or rig, it? ) if not, i was just using default humanoid skeleton on not humanoid meshes,. as i did on past on dreadnought archons of legacy of kain defiance game. it worked fine on these creatures... but figure how to rig humanoid skeleton to not humanoid creature is pretty hard. Re - rig every creature to his own skeleton is a long works i do weighting and rigging working on every vertexes on geometries. i was really hoping i can avoid that. but if there is not other solution that can avoid the re-rigging step... sigh, i have no choice. : \ for me, rigging models is ever the longest and hardest parts when i works on Max. (after cappings. for this point i am lucky. i have a script of ashuradx that can autocapping a mesh, if has a clean optimized geometry and is properly detached)

not worry, i need just a file example about how it can be the working model for the rest, i try to fix by me. never thinked of ask ypou to fix all these stuffs. is too much! >.< i re imported XSi root scebne exported inside max after exported and i see that yes.. model is flipped really upside down. not surprise that assimilate builg GLM is so silly way and on modview model is rotated and deformed. tomorrow i will think about it. now i go to sleep. goodnight

okay... fixed hierarchy, compiled the root etc etc... on modview... same garbage as first... yes, i really some fucked trouble related skeleton orientation.

Ok guys, maybe i discover the enigma. but i now append the scripts files and also the max files i saved now so you can check and tell my your expert opinions. I have 3 different Ski importer scripts. 1 SKI_FORMAT: first script importing SKI and BON no animation inside BON files. i used that for tunneltrigger. 2 SKI_FORMAT STCK animation working script. used inside the scene after imported the model, it allow to import stck animation of monster. i used that for animation. 3: SKI_FORMAT_OLDEST_NOSTCKMODELS. this is the more recently, did by my request by a programmer of xentax forum. this import the oldest PW ski and bon files with animations stored inside bon files instead of STCK... I tested importinig tunneltrigger model with the 3, instead of 1, now. and i get the model inside max. the bones are the same identicaly name that get with 1 scriptl and also same transform, move and rotate parameters (by the guess i see also JK3 skeleton of raven inside psykosith sitethat ever working fine for me have the scale to 100 for bones, but every bones have different value of moving and trasform. not one is setting to zero). however, after i imported on Max the tunnetrigger with script 3, instead of script 1 thart create me the model i worked in these days, i tested with script 2, animation and load walking animations... effectly i noticed something of strange with script 1 of ski iomporting: inside walking animation model walks fine but have abdomen and belly strangely deformed and below the 0 0 0 ground line point of 3d max. this deformation is pretty suspect. if i import model with script 3, instead of 1, and after animation 2, this deformation NOT happened inside animation and i see that it walks exactly As inside pw game!! So maybe it was a fucked error of the imported that i use. the importer 1 should be crappy and bugged!!! but for be sure, now i drink my milk breakfast and i give you the new max files i created with script 3 and 2, and also the 3 max scripts i used for model, the 1 (suspected crappy script), the 2 for animations and the 3 (fine mesh rigged skeleton importing script) Important: these scripts import bones as geometries. i need to convert as bones into max, but this is not a big trouble, apparently. EDIT: here the sources: https://www.sendspace.com/file/cva0c9 model folder: contain SKI file of model (geometry) BON file (skeleton) STCK (animations) importing scripts: contain the 3 scripts i used, if you import the tunneltrigger with the script 1 1 SKI_FORMAT and after load into max the animations with 2 SKI_FORMAT STCK animation working script. you can see the model make animation with a lot of body innatural deformation. thanks to chulklyne now i understand why. >.< Instead, if you import 3: SKI_FORMAT_OLDEST_NOSTCKMODELS. for importing model and skeleton and rigged geometry and after use the 2 well, i see that models seems better on max and also animations are not deformed, i share with you because i want your opinion about scripts quality and also about how is the result now that i am using the script number 3 instead of number 1 for importing. NOTE: the scripts should works fine by max 5 version (that i am using, also if i have max 2010 i love UI of max 5) to max 2012/2013. if all is fine, i will re-detach meshes, re merge JKA bolts and tags and re-hierachy mesh and i will re-try to re export and build on assimilate... hoping this time will go better.

oh, clear. Now i go to sleep. tomorrow i will send you the incriminated importer. maybe you can help me to fix the trouble. well ... not surprise... at least, authors warning me that was experimental imports so can cointain again bug. basically i am doing beta testing. XD but if the import import skeletons crappies, this explain alls! >.<

Oh, now is pretty clear!!! ookay hierarchy is easy to fix, but i need to insert a nice model_root and skeleton root dummies. the dummies of JK3 humanoid skeletons are fines for that? ut how can i fix reset to zero the bone transforms? and how i can solve the flipped skeleton? on 3d max 5 i never noticed the skeleton was flipped. how can i see it? i have also max 2010. maybe i need to work on it? o.o Also, spine_root, is an helper\dummy? i not linked skeleton to any dummy because, on max, i get effectly a stange error: if i linked bones to some dummy and after i load animation i get the model highly deformed and strethed and flipped of 90° degrees on one if side. now i understand that model did that on my for the wrong transforms and flipping of skeletons... i was thinking that was a problem of the interaction between hierarchy and scripts imports itself... >.<

Okay. many thanks. i not know much of modelling i confess. i ever followed the psyk0path tutorial for humanoid using the JK3 skeleton already working of his site, so basically every of model i did until now i simply scaled models, detached, capped, rigged withJKA skeleton, export XSI and build GLM with carcass simply dragging model.car inside carcass.exe icon process. so for me the not humanoid field is totally new field. i have general modding skills but custom animations are my failure, my lacks. in all these years i never understood and learn how to make them... so these porting works for me is also good for learn exactly how to work a howler, a mark droid, a minemonster, a sand creature. >.<

Well, i wanna explain better my problem: i have a plug in that allow to import rigged geometry and animation from perfect world international. why i choice these models... 1: because they are low poly. 2: they are TONS of every kind of ANIMALS! mangoos, snake, scorpions, birds etc!!! image a mod pack with skeleton and animation already ready for rig and create every kind of animals for modding purposen on JKA based on pwi skeletons and animations... that was one of my purpose, the other was that i have a personal project on JKA and i need a BIG amount of aliens animals creatures and ... or i sculpt it on spore, i export as collad,a i decimate on blender the smooth geometry and i port on max and i rig on humanoid skeleton or not humanoid skeleton... or i use PW beasts. these scripts for importing pw models into 3d max coming from xentax forum. there are 3 scripts. the models of PW of basic client, that is older of 2008, until 1.5.0 version of mmorpg stored geometry into .SKI files of models and skeleton and animation into BON files. exactly as JKA do with GLM and GLA. i asked privately to a programmer of xentax and he give me the favouir of write a script that allow to import these stuffs, is a very recently attempt of some week ago. so i can import on max a fully rigged and animated model with all animation frames timelapse of every not humanoid model of PW. the model more recently of the game, with the expansion and patch after 1.5.0 expansions, have little difference processing. Model and rigging geometry are on SKI format. skeleton inside BON, but animation are loaded by STCK files. the 2 scripts i founds allow to import inside 3D max first the BON and SKI format (1 script) and the second script to load STCK animations. the unique trouble is that when i load an STCK it override all frames of the scene... but for what archangel explained me, the ROOT pose need to get only two frames and for be expoertee on XSI and builded on carcass need to be at zero frame. the other animation pose need to are without geometry and bolts tag (or maybe they can have tags?? again i not understood that. if i delete geometry where i link the tags into the animations max files??? ) and they gotta a lot of animations BUT on frame zero you need however to get ever the root pose and on the other frames the rest of the animation (walking, running, attacking etc) my porpose was to fastly get on JKA rigged and animated models. on 3d max, they works pretty fine after i importing by PWi assets using these 3 scripts. (SKI-BON importer models, + STCK animation importer for newbie models, and the script recently i get from the programmer, that instead import SKI BON of older model and read animations stored inside BON files). for making my first test i choiced the monster called inside game mountain tunneltrigger, tideborn expansion. a creature like an anciebnt preistoric glyptodont that dive earth like a mole. it just walking, attacking with the thorn face , pain and dieing. pretty easy as animation set. so i suppose that i wouild able to export his root and animation inside XSI, compile with carcass and get GLA and GLM. never expected that on XSI convertion skeleton and animation imported by PWi become crappy and unworkable... i hope is not this the problems... if is that,... i am fucked. letterally, because i need to re-rig this damned models with ravens and JKA humanoid skeletons instead... and they are... hundreds. so now i think you can understand the troble. exist some possibility to fix these models for JKA compatibility? is possible to export root and animation into XSI form max after i properly detached and hierarched the models, for buiild a workiing GLA and GLM on carcass \ assimilate? archangel explain me the procedure but the first result, with only ROOT and BOTH_WALK1 animation get me the result that you can see on the files i appended. :\ with model highly deformed into modview. For mountain tunneltrigger , i was thjinking to set as CLASS_MINEMONSTER and animation get only walk, run, pain, death and attacks and standing. so a pretty basic creature. i was thinking it should be a good start point. but if the bone imported by scripts are so crappy on XSI and assimilate format... well relaly i not know how to do at this point... ._, t

So i need to ask to him, too, i guess.

Oh, but so... how is possible that there are other not humanoid models that i see on JK modding and also here on JKhub that works fine? there are nexu, orray, acklay of geonosis, dianogas, pepper eyes of castlevania mod, a shark, preistoric raptors and also a spider! D: https://jkhub.org/files/file/2339-bloodshanks-the-shark-by-boothand-and-dt/ @@Boothand how you did that? see also... https://jkhub.org/files/file/395-peeping-eye/ about others... mmm acklay should be into some geonosis arena map. dianoga inside dark forces mod and velociraptors are on old file front... maybe are on mrwonko database... however for the tunneltrigger monster i think the better animations set is the minemonster jedi outcast settings. http://mrwonko.de/jk3files/Jedi%20Academy/Models/Others/42551/ raptors... and so they are fully hardcoded? the rigged models of PW are unuseful and also their skeletons? i am forced to manually rig the raven skeletons most idoneus to animals to the models and also i am forced to set this models as CLASS_HOWLER, CLASS_MINEMONSTER etc on NPC files for working property with animations? oh, thats sucks pretty much ._. i was hoping not humanoid was fully customizable with skeletons, bones names etc. ç_ç at this point i continue to rig oall kind of creature to humanoid skeletons... some time i get crappy animations (the baddest things are for a creature with 4 legs like wolves ) but their works... http://mrwonko.de/jk3files/Jedi%20Academy/Models/121828/ on neon dark ages mod i see also a nice horse model vehicle and there are also streeds models... how damn they works fines with ravens skeletons? there are not good skeleton for beast with four legs... http://mrwonko.de/jk3files/Jedi%20Academy/Models/Vehicles/39087/ http://mrwonko.de/jk3files/Jedi%20Academy/Models/Vehicles/39089/ i checked many of these models on modview. except the peep eyes, that have humanoid skeleton, the other have custom skeleton with custom bones names. animations matchs the AI class not humanoid animations of JKA but they skeleton are fully customizable... D: look the shark and the orray skeleton, also the raptor. no ravens models have skeletons like their owns. O.o well, i this point, i not understand more nothing of how works not humanoids or what they need as requirements. i am good to rig humanoids but these creatures are a total incognita for me... the unique thing i notices is that my skeleton have bone names that starts with bip and is missing the model_root bones, all not humanoid models have this bones as pivot. i think should important. o.o

This is the troubles: my model deformed into some orrible garbages after builded with carcass: Nice Jka howler model and at the end... the building trouble of assimilate with BOTH_WALK1 animation ]

Okay, i do some progress... and get many delusions... First off, i followed your istruction @@ChalklYne and also the @Archangel1937 examples about how to build a not humanoid basic model with basic animations. but the result is discouraging. here are: max model file model_car, assimiltate, humanoid folder of monster, glm, gla and cfg builded. https://www.sendspace.com/file/a9umo0 Basically i try to do a simple test only with ROOT and BOTHJ_WALK1 animation. FIRST PROBLEM IF i put on assimilate model_car only the root, it compile the models but when i load on modview model appears totally deformed and also turned on a side of 90° his pivot is missing. (model_root dummy helper, present if i load the raven software howler.glm model not humanoid screaming lizard of yavin levels) so i post here for ask help and suggest, i attacked the files and this images for show the problems howler model my model I will try to rename bones removing bip1 prefix with a script renamer that archangel getted me know but after that... i have not other idea. in case i need to add a model_root dummy exactly HOW is need to be correctly hierarched to skeleton and meshes? SECOND PROBLEM: IF i put on assimulate both ROOT and BOTH_WALK1 animation i get a build error from assimilate the give me that bones alignment of BOTH_WALK1 not match with ROOT animation. but this is absurd because obvious in an animation skeelton is moved and rotarted by frames for create the moving! D: the error is that: So... help! is my first attemp with not humanoid models and i am pretty confused and sorrowed by this garbage. >.< there is not other alternative to carcass to build a glm and a gla i suppose... .-.