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Gentlemen. This has lasted long enough. I take part of the blame due to not establishing enough ground rules (forgive me, this is my first experience starting such a thing ever). And yes, this is supposed to be a truly fun project, and not the raging discussion I've seen in the last few days. I feel @@MoonDog and @@Pande have a point where it comes to brushwork (detail vs structural) layout, etc. On the other hand, I completely understand @@MUG being extremely proud of what he made, as it looks remarkably cool. 

When @@MoonDog said the map was a collaborative project, he was right. As the OP stated, "4.Construction: We try to not remove others' work, just improve upon it, although this sometimes does require removal, depending on the situation."

To be sure, others DO have every right to improve upon each other's work. If they find that the scale is too small for normal play, then they have every right to change it. In addition, one can't just recall their own parts, especially not when you're the first mapper and others use your part to start off from. However, again, I love this area, and completely sympathize. You're more than free to use your own part on a smaller scale in an upcoming map, and you can be sure I'm going to play it. Right now, as apparently both moondog and mug called it quits, we have a situation on our hands. It might just be a good idea to follow Pande's suggestion and start over, although we can surely use parts from the current construction, but only after we've established more ground rules and specific area layouts before starting construction, although I would require active help concerning the specificity of such a thing. Again, I may be blamed for not realizing this before, but this arguing has lasted long enough. I will put the scheduled passing around on hold for now, until we have (amongst ourselves) reached a definitive decision on this. Opinions here (please review the map in its current state first at http://www.mediafire.com/?2nu3vyyw38xu23w)

Agreed.

Again, sorry for not replying sooner, RL is truly being a pain at the moment.

From what I've first heard from Pande, and now moondog, the issues are more serious than I initially thought. Moondog, could you also send over your current version? I'd like to have the most up to date one, although delta already sent me his a while ago.

I suppose a call has to be made. But before I do so (at least, I suppose I'd be the one having to do so since I started it all..) I would like to hear your (that is, specifically @@Pande and @@MoonDog and @@Szico VII) opinion of the extent to which we'd be able to salvage/use at least parts of the map were we to absolutely start over with a pre-conceived layout and a clearer goal to work towards. Please be as direct and honest as you can, as this is in no way a criticism towards other mappers personally, and shouldn't be interpreted as such.

Id like to postpone my first segment till 24th if thats ok?

@Szico VII- March 25^th-March 31st

I suppose you mean 24th of april, then? 

Also, haven't had time to check out the files delta sent me yet. Exams are (and will be) killing me for several more weeks.  Looking good though! I love the pattern on the inside of the elevator door!

Sorry guys, I only just got back from a short trip to Denmark which prevented me from checking the topic. I see Pande has raised an important issue that needs addressing. @@Delta_135 can you upload the current map+textures etc. to somewhere so I (and the other mappers involved) can have a look as to the seriousness of the problem? 

We DEMAND pictures

No worries, life tends  to do that sometimes I'll see if I can get you an extra turn somewhere if you feel like it?

Did you get the map yet? @@MagSul?

@@TwinHits, please prepare to transport the map. I got a pm from @@Delta_135 saying he's experiencing some internet connection issues and cannot take the map after you. I know @@MagSul was all about having his turn soon,so I switched him and Delta around. Main post updated. I know the time period for switching them around is really short (since this concerns the following mapper) but due to delta's issues, I had no other choice. @@MagSul, can you confirm you have time next week?

Perhaps we can think with you, if you show us the thing you're thinking about with some annotated screenshots?

Any updates, @@TwinHits?

Thanks for all your hard work (and awesome screenshots). I hope @@TwinHits continues in the same tradition (screenshots included)

Please don't forget to zip the file up and send it to Twinhits on the 24th! Perhaps you guys need to exchange email addresses by pm (can't remember if twinhits posted his email in this topic or not). 

Gentlemen, the schedule has been updated by Magsul's request (see OP on page 1). Most importantly, I've now chosen only to have a final turn and no middle turn, as magsul preferred to go earlier (thus in my place). I might have pushed some people's turns back a week since I removed my own. Please check the schedule and look if you can still make it. Sorry for any inconvenience!

Seconded. Historical buildings trump modern ones by day, modern/postmodern buildings trump historical ones at night.

A similar design would be used for every (or something with sky)  (..nt, something with an 'i') (?). +North and South bound. Your handwriting is not that bad. Wait till you see mine

Could you reupload those notes with in a less big and blurred way? I honestly can't read them

If no modeler offers, I'd be happy to mess around and create a sort of .ase chair. What sort of chairs are you thinking about, style-wise, @@TwinHits?

You, my good sir, are now officially my hero. I literally fell from the couch laughing, resulting in odd looks from my family members who now think I'm crazy. Seriously though, awesome. Can't wait to roughen the place up!

Edit: couch, not coach. Now that would truly be weird.

Loving it! I can see why giving you an extra week of sorts (coincidentally) turns out to not be a bad idea at all!

edit: I believe there actually a glowing track shader of sorts somewhere. Can't recall where it is exactly, but the texture/shader's name was rail_light_inside. Shouldn't be too hard to find if you feel like using it. Looks like this (centre) 

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How about some more 'modern' (or postmodern or whatever) kind of light/glow//video based billboards? Paper is SO 1988 . Perhaps some ads for some non-existing weapons/arms manufacturers/corporations? Depends on how dark our future is going to become really...

@@Pande, Read your post in the other topic. Updated the schedule for you (and myself) in the main post of this topic (keeping stuff in one place). Does march 11th-17th work for you? I also switched myself with someone else (think it was magsul) since I have the same exam period that I had not considered. I would go sooner, but I also have some essay deadlines and a trip to Copenhagen coming up.

@@MUG That is an extremely cool concept. I'm impressed! As Szico said, the opening doors train is certainly possible, and actually quite easy. I'm not sure how he'd do it (probably some ingenious wizardy way), but the easiest way imho seems to have the doors and the trains be different func_statics, and let them have different ref_tags, and write different scripts for their movement. Their movement is basically exactly the same, until they arrive at a station, at which point the doors move/rotate with different ref_tags as a base. I've thought about implementing a similar system for an underwater transport line for one of my projects in the past.

@@MoonDog, imho a poison system would be either appropriate in some kind of special room, or in some extremely bad circumstances in the lower and poorer neighbourhoods. In fact, the poison and @@MUG's idea kind of remind of of KOTOR's Taris lower areas. Zombeh, anyone?

My congratulations for making my evening with those sceenshots. And those captions.

I'll update the main post with some desciptions on the theme soon.

@@MUG Could you explain in more detail what ideas you have in mind? I'm also going with @@Szico VII 's underground railway guess.

edit: and perhaps it was @@MoonDog having issues with those update ent files. I know someone had issues with it, anyway.

For those of you that are not familiar with the term 'pass me around', please read this topic: 

http://jkhub.org/topic/1557-the-jkhub-pass-me-around/

The basic idea is to have a WIP level that is being created by passing it around to several mappers who work on it for a week in turn. A question for @@Silverfang, could you expand on piratepad? I'm not familiar with it.

For good measure, I'll start by reposting the schedule:

Schedule:(last updated on April 2nd)

2.Log files

• We keep a log file in a word document, in which every mapper describes what he did, what his ideas/criticism/comments/goals and intentions were, which things he wanted to do but couldn't, which bugs he found, and general inspiration he had, including tips and (relevant) banter , so the next mappers can delve into this for inspiration. This has proved to be crucial in the past, to please stick to this. The first mapper can create the word document. We don't want to know what you did every second, but please sort your comments by name and date, so it's easy to get an overview of the progress of the WIP level in time

3.Forums:

• We will keep this topic updated with progress reports and screenshots (Show off your skills!  You know you want to! ). Aside from us demonstrating our awesomeness, this is of course to generate inspiration, ask questions, have new ideas and perhaps some parallel side work from other people like silverfang (loved that helo, btw).
• Other people that are not mentioned in the topic are free to offer suggestions and map objects as well, but using them is at the mappers' discretion.

4.Construction

• We try to not remove others' work, just improve upon it, although this sometimes does require removal, depending on the situation. (By asking: what was he attempting to achieve? Then work from there. That's why the log file is important) 
• WE USE CAULK.
• We attempt to use the appropriate detail/structural brushes to spare the mappers at the end some major headaches (I'm sure pande has been there..)
• The first mapper starts mapping at 0,0,0 (xyz)

5. GTK Radiant

• You are free to use whatever version you want, but: we use the same, updated entities definition file, to be found here:  http://jkhub.org/files/file/1299-updated-mp-entities/ . I know MUG has had some issues in the past. To which extent are they fixed?
• Please don't forget to add jkhub_pma to your .shaders file!
• Do NOT go below grid size 1, map on the grid to keep things easy for all of us.

6. General

• Send the zipped up (and preferably compiled) files to the next mapper on the last day that you are scheduled to have. If you know you cannot do anything on your last day, do it sooner so the next mapper has a day extra. Spread the love!
• Please name your textures in an easy to understand way, so others can immediately see its use (e.g. metalwall_1 or whatever)
• FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND EVERYTHING THAT IS HOLY: KEEP. BACKUPS. On your HD, on your USB drive, keep a backup on your calculator for all I care. Also backup everything before messing with the entities.def file.

Ladies, gentlemen, let the games begin! @@MUG, if you read this sooner and feel like starting earlier, feel free to do so =)