Spaghetti

Can't wait to see a Windows release of this, as being forced to use 1.6 for editing certain maps is rather painful with all the surface inspector and undo bugs.

The MBII A280 was created by Chairwalker (as is shown in our maps-models readme). The only contact info I have for him is from some of the uploads here, such as this.

All hail the old and the new overlords!

Here's something that's been bugging me so I thought bringing it up might be a good idea. Has any consideration been made to making the transition between the legacy renderer and rend2 easier? Updating shaders is my concern.

For those who do not know, I am part of the Movie Battles II development team. Internally the topic of rend2 has come up many times. The inevitable conclusion though is that we have too much legacy material to convert manually. Between our maps, models, and UI, our shader count numbers over 600 discrete files (or 3 MBs of text). We will never have the resources to manually rewrite everything to the bare minimum point of looking the same as before.

The only solutions I can think of would be to either have a hybrid render mode which could read and display the old shaders while still allowing the use of newer capabilities and optimization, or an external tool which could automatically parse old shader files and convert them into equivalent versions in the new shader format. I have no idea how technically feasible either would be though.

LODs are pretty cool though. They're great for toasters, or performance draining mods.

What's going on with this? Gap in the mesh? Funky weighting?

Looking good otherwise.

Who can say?

It couldnt be that bad D: In my opinion it also depends on which map the player model is.

This is very true. A wonky lightmap will result in some very odd looking entity lighting.

This model already has all the tags MBII uses

This got attention. Do the jetpack/rocket effects work properly with this?

If they do I can lend assistance with the shaders (it's not difficult to do a basic spec for the metallic parts of the armor).

Func_walls seem to be buggy like that. I recommend using a func_static instead for this kind of system.

Pretty much what Boot and Ping said. You can't go wrong using jaMME and its features are all documented. As for editing, that's really up to your taste. Windows Movie Maker is a good beginner's tool, but you'll soon find it frustratingly limited. Sony Vegas is popular with many, though I prefer Adobe Premiere (pretty advanced but it can be used simplisitcally).

Thanks Pande, I kind of sort of worked my way to that conclusion when I took a second look at the new version yesterday (for some reason I missed the cantina on my first check).

The original author of that Cantina seems to be Chalmun (found while searching Google for the old assets). I'll probably try to get in contact with him now that I know who did it (the Cantina part anyway). Though I assume whoever started work on the MBII map already had permission, it's changed hands enough that I wouldn't even know who to ask. May as well check with the source.

NECRO EDIT FROM 2019: Apparently I confused the name of the fictional cantina owner with the map author. Actual author was Krattle (thanks mrwonko for preserving filefront).

Just some of the map assets for Mos Eisley - textures and shaders (I think everything else is present).

i still have does maps if it is a need

It would save many, many hours of work duplicating the same thing. I'd call this a very strong want.

I might be able to find an old slightly broken .bsb somewhere for you.

The .map (or at least a version of it) is present in: JKG/Map development files + Extras/Maps/Tatooine/OLD_Mos_Eisley.map. That said, many of the texture assets seem to be absent. The associated shader too. We have a version of Mos Eisley developed for MBII with a very incomplete Cantina that seems to be a doppleganger of this layout/design. I'm guessing the same mapper was involved. Either way, releasing the assets would be a huge boon to the development of our version.

Thanks for the help EZ, simple enough to remember.

I am very curious about this too, there are many applications where LODs are vital for performance.

Catwalk removal is definitely good, as is the cover change at main. Meshing your take on the old layout would be hard to do with this though. The balcony isn't really authentic, but it works quite well for gameplay as throne camping was a common balance complaint. Given the other changes, I would need to rework it quite a bit to fit your version (probably by dropping the balcony aesthetic and using an indoor corridor instead).

As to performance, I'd probably have to sacrifice some complexity here and there. At least in spots like hangar it should be possible to combine some of the brushwork into composite textures for the floor segments. Also I must ask about the lighting. Your screenshots look a bit brighter than in-game in general so I'm guessing your gamma is higher than default, or maybe the compile I tried is old. The areas around main and throne seem particularly dark even in your screens though.

Well that's certainly something. Recent work on a layout change for MBII's DotF was just released, and I was planning on continuing with improvements by integrating and finishing the V2 Mace was working on. Now I have to think about this version which is much more complete (and pretty), but incompatible with the current layout and might pose performance issues in MBII (yay code inefficiencies).

Not sure whether to thank or curse you Pande.

That really looks a lot better than I'd imagine it could in this old engine. Kudos.

A proper Savage would be cool, though I still can't get over the silliness of his name.