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You know what's funny. When I state something general, everyone just applies it to their situation and goes: "Yes, I agree with you". But nobody is saying: "Hey.. maybe I do need to look to what else there is out there, can you point me somewhere?". You'd think that jkhub would be a place to share knowledge and experiences instead of having arguements. Meh, this is a difficult topic though. I've come up with some solutions over the years, but never again wanted to put time into educating a community and creating a proper game, mainly because in the end, people will be people. As pointed out by what I just said, plus it just takes a shitload of time and effort which you will not be payed for (@@Caelum can probably agree). I did do some small social and educational experiments in the past though, and what I consider to be more adult and fruitful can be done. But not in the current jka environment we have (both game technical and internet community wise). You may now all continue the manhood measurements.

How does what you said, proof that I would be uninformed? I said two things: 1. UPS are banned from the ctfpug servers. 2. UPS are just like any other community in jka. You can try to battle the current and past (year or two?) experience that UPS gained and I am not aware of possibly. But I was making a slightly more general point. Different arguements can be made for all those communities really, since I am not spying 24/7. Additionally however, I would like to add that I personally have had only bad experiences with ups players. In my experience - and also others really - they are agressive and short sighted. Which does not dissmiss any knowledge they got that might be valuable (they did their research on strafing mechanics via quake for example), but it shows again in the replies that are written in this topic, as @@Ping also pointed out earlier. @@source @@therfiles edit: you don't have to proof anything by the way, and ups certainly aren't the only ones who are to blame here. Neither do I have the desire to proof anything, because then we'd be educating each other wouldn't we? Which is exactly what I am trying to avoid. Because it ends up in a derailed topic. I just replied because I don't want people reading this, thinking that I was stating nonsense only because you basically said: "no we are cool".

Just a piece of factual information here. The ups guys are banned from the ctfpug servers. Unanimously by a community that consists out of people that are for the most part adults and which has grown over the years through quake and jk2 and whose heart belongs to quake (strafing) and jedi knight. Just saying, it takes quite some effort to get yourself banned there. /me grabs popcorn

This post perfectly illustrates how far from reality you can get when you stick within your own small community and your own experiences and preferances (in jka, but also jk2). I think this would be a nice moment for anyone with a strong opinion regarding jedi knight to review if what they believe to be true, is actually all there is. Because instead of bashing this quite obviously uninformed topic poster, I'd say a lot of major names in basejka, ctfpug, mod communities but also biased coders have no idea what they are talking about, purely because they stick to what they are familiar with. The ups and full force duel guys are one of those communities. But also the fucking close minded tdm basejka esl guys, the ctfpug guys that can't saber for shit, the casual jka siege gamers that think ctfpug isn't worth the try, the people that never played jk2, the people that don't know quake, the people in places like JAWA, schoolofwar, thejediacademy.net, <insert any ja+ clan> that are "teaching' methods" or preaching jedi philosophy but also train others.. and so on. People are going to be people, but seriously guys. Do your research, analyse and experience. Don't take for granted what others tell you, what you think makes sense, or what a community tells you is true. Then you get this kind of stuff. We should properly educate people, but over the years I learned that most gamers in jedi battles (yes being sarcastic) are just kids or morrons. Only a hand full of people is worth the attention, and even then ... people will be people (myself included). edit: the worst people are those that actually believe that they are being honest and correct and open minded by the way. You'll find them a lot in saber communities. I can sort of respect the "I don't know it, so it sucks" -attitude a lot more than people that are wrong, but act as if they did their research, while they are factually wrong, yet continue to drag people into their sphere of influence. /out

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