Alright about to do that and see if its the problem, and one of the sdk installed JKRadiant and was using that. I'll install GTK, should it be installed into the JKA gamedata or base or anything? EDIT: should i do the 1.4 Raven GTK that is for JKA or go for the 1.5 or 1.6 they have out? Installing 1.4 GTK and opening the map there works for models so unless you suggest upgrading this will work. Now to do that modeling tutorial for all its confusion lol in game i have the model now but i need to get the physics clip to show get i made it to small. thats not bad, the misc_model_static is having a leak cause of something. it says entity 10, brush 0: entity leaked