Sephiroth

That doesn't really make any sense because neither the original game nor OpenJK were ever compiled against Visual C++ 2005. The former for obvious reasons, and the latter because we had a minimum of 2010 as oldest originally.

 

Coincidence perhaps?

I'd like to think that it was just a coincidence but as I've just stated earlier, it was actually a couple older games that did have some form of slow down issues (I just didn't realize there might have been a connection). I recently read on gog's website that GoG Galaxy will introduce cloud saves and I was excited for that. While downloading my titles with this program, it had also installed that one version of Visual C++. However, I hadn't played anything until the next day. I popped on Steam and played Age of Empires 2. When I started up a game, it was smooth as it should've been. Character movement was smooth and scrolling around the map didn't lag so hard like it had been doing.  I was shocked by all this and tried JKA ... same thing. It's like the problem just disappeared and seeing the date that it had installed the program makes me think that's what did it.

I know Steam also tries to install versions of Visual C++ and that's where my copy of JKA and Age of Empires 2 HD comes from. Only Geneforge is a GoG game and that's a copy I got online from someone else.I hadn't changed anything hardware wise since upgrading to 16 gigs of DDR3 ram and software wise was just a bunch of old games from GoG, their Galaxy program, and that new version of Visual C++.

The only other thing could be that Windows Update had reset a bunch of settings, things like firewall exceptions and preferences that were defaulted. Could it be something like that? I also had resurrected my Windows 10 from a massive msconfig screw up before that. Had to command line boot mode back into legacy using a recovery disk. Everything came back fine but, I hadn't seen improvement shortly after that either. Any other ideas or maybe someone else might have an idea why a certain version of Visual C++ 2005 would make a difference?

I choose Praetor and Champion. For a long time in MP, I had used Firebrand because I heard that it makes the blade slightly longer. Ha! Boy was I fooled. Anyways, I agree that Praetor would be a much better saber had the model not been too big. I'd love a fancy redo of that hilt instead of the one that was shown in this thread. I also liked Champion mainly because of the grip reminds me of the grips on Qui-gon's saber expect the developers put the gripping all over the hilt.

Hey guys.

I wanted to let some of you guys know that my problem has been fixed. gog.com's installers had installed a version of Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 that I apparently didn't have. I have three versions from 2005.

• 8.0.61000
• 8.0.61001
• 8.0.59193 (from a few days ago)

It's odd because, it's an earlier version from the same year but, several games that had odd slow down issues are fixed. Age of Empires 2 HD now has smooth scrolling, Geneforge now has smooth scrolling, and JKA now never dips below 40 from recent testing. Seriously guys? I even upgraded my ram to 16 gigs, did all that CPU unlocking, and spent hours messing around with Navidia Control Panel settings. How is a certain version of C++ making older games run smoother? Can anyone explain this?

Just a question because, I know there's a workaround using two commands put into one but; (Example, "cg_forceownsaber dual_2;saber dual_2") is there a way to put it back to the default without having to restart JKA? Can you clear Cvars or default them? If so, what's the command for that?

So I did some research and I found out that my motherboard has an actual physical switch for what they called "Core Unlocker." Here's the web page for my motherboard.

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M4N98TD_EVO/

If you scroll down, one of the features is "Core Unlocker" and it shows that when it's the LED is turned on with a red color. I checked through my clear plastic side panel and saw that the only red light I saw was coming from my fancy graphics card. So, I turned it off and took a good look where the switch was and flipped it on. The red light came on when the power came on and after I turned it on the BIOS showed a picture of a processor with an arrow sweeping upward.

The thing is though, I'm not sure how much it helped... I was starting up JKA and changing the priority. I tried setting it to real time and then to high. It didn't seem to help performance any with FPS dipping up and down so much. It wouldn't be so bad if it didn't dip down below 30 FPS because, then the game gets really choppy. Anyways, I thought maybe I just didn't have a good enough processor. I looked online and found the best one my motherboard supports.

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Phenom-1090T-Processor-HDT90ZFBGRBOX/dp/B003FVI2KQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495303609&sr=8-1&keywords=phenom+ii+x6

It's not a bad price for something like that and I wouldn't mind upgrading again. However, a fast memory upgrade will cost me $220 for two orders of 8 gigs of those things. That's a bit pricey but, I really want this game to work. Maybe it is a driver issue but, all the updates I ever get are Game Ready updates for new game optimizations. I could try just cutting out Geforce Experience but, I know if that will work either.

The more I've thought about it, the more I'm starting to think it's one of my memory sticks going bad. I remembered that when I upgraded my memory, my computer was running a lot worse than before. So I might have to dish out some cash to get a better brand or something. This next link is what I'm thinking about getting. Would two orders of these work?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4YU2HT6594

Maybe some of your HW is faulty? Are you sure you tried running vanilla to make sure the HW actually works and it's down to some mod?

What's HW mean? Hardware? I wanna make sure I'm getting you right.

It really does seem to be that there's a decrease in natural performance when switching over to a JA+ server, yeah. I'm going to try your suggestions and add them to the config and do a retest for you. Just keep in mind that going from OpenJK to normal JKA didn't really make a difference so, we already tried that. Let me try to write out each IP address for you.

Auora's Base server:

/connect 188.68.55.162:29070

JP Community Server:

/connect 63.251.20.144:29070

KR Clan Server:

/connect 192.223.29.244:29070

Hmm that config file is way overloaded with cvars from multiple mods I think - can you start from scratch with an unmodded JKA installation and we can track things down?

Alright, I took out JA++ and everything expect demos and the assets. I started up OpenJK and tested three different servers. Aurora's Base Server with lowest FPS at 75 and average was around 110. Next was JP's Community server with only bots in spec. It's a JA+ server so, I came out with the lowest FPS of 32 and the average being around 80 to 90. Finally I went to KR with the lowest FPS being 24 and the average around 30. Aurora's map was FFA2, JP's was FFA3, and KR's was KOR2. Here's the config freshly made.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/biq5v7y882huwab/seph.cfg?dl=1

Maybe try turning off anisotropic filtering for textures? I doubt that would be it but it's somewhere to start at least. Failing that, try setting r_stencilbits 0?

I've tried the first one and you're right. It didn't help any. The second suggestion didn't do anything either.

I can't find the culprit within the r_ part of the config. Can you paste your config file?

 

I suspect a driver/dll issue instead. As newer games seem to work fine. Maybe some other programs interfering like flux...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/g1geescn09yy7nb/seph3.cfg?dl=1

Displayrefresh, Colourbits, texture and lightmap bits set to zero? Is that possible? They don't need to be set that low...

Well, what do they do and what's the benefit of setting them at higher values?

Can you post what all of your r_* cvars are set to? As well as a console dump after loading JKA when you're on the main menu.

 Here you go.

OpenJK-MP: v1.0.1.0 win_msvc-x86 Aug 21 2016

----- FS_Startup -----

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C:\Users\AlexC\Documents\JKA\japlus\cl_bins_win32.pk3 (2 files)

C:\Users\AlexC\Documents\JKA\japlus\cl_assets.pk3 (52 files)

C:\Users\AlexC\Documents\JKA\japlus

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C:\Users\AlexC\Documents\JKA\base\san.pk3 (968 files)

C:\Users\AlexC\Documents\JKA\base\sakura_DAJ.pk3 (35 files)

C:\Users\AlexC\Documents\JKA\base\saitohajime.pk3 (110 files)

C:\Users\AlexC\Documents\JKA\base\sabergirl_v3.pk3 (50 files)

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C:\Users\AlexC\Documents\JKA\base\reno.pk3 (17 files)

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C:\Users\AlexC\Documents\JKA\base\Project Zero.pk3 (94 files)

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C:\Users\AlexC\Documents\JKA\base\Fairy.pk3 (45 files)

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C:\Users\AlexC\Documents\JKA\base\Cigarette Saber.pk3 (12 files)

C:\Users\AlexC\Documents\JKA\base\chrono_sword.pk3 (8 files)

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C:\Users\AlexC\Documents\JKA\base\AstralSabers.pk3 (43 files)

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C:\Users\AlexC\Documents\JKA\base\anduril.pk3 (13 files)

C:\Users\AlexC\Documents\JKA\base\Advent Children (AC) Sephiroth.pk3 (121

files)

C:\Users\AlexC\Documents\JKA\base\©_HQ_Chat_Icon.pk3 (9 files)

C:\Users\AlexC\Documents\JKA\base

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33257 files in pk3 files

execing mpdefault.cfg

execing openjk.cfg

couldn't exec autoexec.cfg

----- Initializing Renderer ----

Trying to load "rd-vanilla_x86.dll" from "."...

QKEY found.

SDL using driver "windows"

Initializing display

Display aspect: 1.778

...setting mode -1: 1920 1080

Using 24 color bits, 24 depth, 8 stencil display.

Available modes: '1280x720 1366x768 1600x900 1920x1080 2715x1527 1768x992

1176x664 1360x768 1280x768 1280x800 1680x1050 1600x1024 720x480 640x480

800x600 1024x768 1152x864 1280x960 720x576 1280x1024 1440x480'

GL_RENDERER: GeForce GTX 1050 Ti/PCIe/SSE2

Initializing OpenGL extensions

...GL_S3_s3tc available

...GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc available

...no tc preference specified

.....using GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc

...using GL_EXT_texture_env_add

...GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic available

...using GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic

...using GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp

...using GL_ARB_multitexture

...using GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array

WARNING: Ignoring shader file shaders/swtorrevan.shader. Shader "}" on line

392 missing opening brace (found "models/players/swtorrevan/cape" on line

393).

WARNING: Ignoring shader file shaders/nobody.shader. Shader

"models/players/nobody/nobody_collar_blue" on line 192 missing closing brace.

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I was referring to control panel settings - you may alternatively use the NVIDIA Inspector to check them out: https://www.guru3d.com/files-get/nvidia-inspector-download,4.html

 

By the looks of it your hardware should be capable of running the game in SP with more than 400FPS I think... how can it be so low? Do you use ReShade or QFXPros modified opengl32.dll?

 

Are you playing multiplayer or singleplayer?

 

Why your hard drive may account for long loading times but not low FPS, that's down to either CPU, RAM or GPU. What's the speed of your RAM?

I'm playing multiplayer. I usually go to KR and sometimes jump on JP when I'm doing testing. To be honest, I've never heard of ReShade or QFXPros so it's doubtful it's that. So the next thing is how do I find out the speed of my RAM? Any suggestions?

EDIT: Never mind about how to find it. I had to track down which one I bought. The speed is listed as PC3-12800.

I'm out of ideas of what can be causing you this low performance.

 

Maybe... Before your "last updrade" you said, JA worked well? Which component did you upgraded?

 

One more thing: when you said "openjkx86.exe was added to Nvidia Control Panel with minimal results", did you changed any setting? If you add it but you don't change anything, it's useless. I guess you already know that, but as I said, I'm getting out of ideas.

No, it was actually the upgrade before that. The last upgrade was the graphics card. At the time I upgraded the first time, I didn't have enough money to upgrade everything so I saved the graphics card for next time. However, I changed a lot of things last year when I first got my new part time job. I went from a AMD dual core to a quad core, complete with a new motherboard to support it. It's an AUSUS board I got off of Ebay. I also went from DDR2 to DDR3 memory.

You see, my original train of thought was that JKA was being held back by my dual core processor. I already had a GT 640 so, I thought it was plenty. Jeh from EK mentioned during a Skype call that JKA seemed to be more CPU intensive so, I've been planning that for a long time. Lastly, I upgraded a Western Digital HDD to a Seagate SSHD hybrid. Surprisingly, my startup is worse than when I had a HDD.

I've sometimes speculated that I just have a crappy SSHD but, I wouldn't know the first way to test it effectively or even if there was a science in that. I thought maybe files were being read slower and that's causing the frame drops. That'd be pretty crazy and I have nothing to prove that yet so... I don't know if that could be it.

When I upgraded the time before last, I noticed it was working well at first but, then something happened. I'm not sure what exactly. The only thing I've done is add some more skins and sabers. I'll try removing them in a temp folder just to make sure that's not it. Anyways, at one time I was getting a stable 125 FPS dipping into the 90s at times, which was very acceptable.

By the way, you asked if I changed settings in Navidia Control Panel. At first I left it at global settings and tried that. When I saw no change, I went back and  I guessed a few good settings to change with the help guide at the bottom of the page telling you what it'll do for you. The next guy actually seems to get more into that idea.

A few hints in general when using a recent NVIDIA card:

 

Set Transparency Antialiasing to Multisample only, as Supersample will wash out textures, although it works for AlphaChannels quite well. Not worth it IMO.

 

Have you changed the shadow rendering range, or the LOD system parameters or the corpseremovaltime?

So when you're talking about these settings, is this in Navidia Control Panel like what Aidor was suggesting or is this ingame settings I can change? I've never heard of these settings so, I might have missed it somewhere. Please explain a little further.

It's not normal. Are you using volumetric shadows on? If I set VS on I get some low fps sometimes when there's a lot of characters on screen, even I have a gtx970+ 4.2ghz CPU.

I just got done testing it and I had it set to blob, which is a setting for JA++. I turned it off and it didn't help dramatically or anything. Still dropping all the way down to 30 or lower FPS. I really love playing JKA, I really do. Half of the time, I don't upgrade for other games. Every time I did it, I did it for JKA. I really hope this issue can be fixed. It's strange that I'll play Skyrim Special Edition on ultra settings like it's nothing. That's why I posted this here, because I guess there's something I must be missing here that someone who knows all the tips and tricks of JKA might know about. Any suggestions are welcome, I promise.

For those who would like to have the last 9 months worth of OpenJK updates for the windows build, it is now unofficially available at http://shattered-worlds.org

 

I spent quite a bit of time last night learning how to compile source code from the github. My apologies for being really tired right now and hosting it via Mediafire, maybe I'll put it on our actual web server tomorrow and update the link in the post. It's stickied to our portal articles, and I will try to keep it updated until the OpenJK team gets them updating on the official site.

 

Note that, again out of laziness, I included the JO stuff in the package. If you don't need anything for JO, you can remove those files. They all begin with jo instead of ja. 

 

Enjoy.

 

 

Edit, I fixed an issue where I compiled it as portable, and edited the links on the site the next day to no longer be Mediafire btw. For simplicity, it can be direct downloaded from:  http://shattered-worlds.org/files/  I forgot to update this post as I am rarely on here.

Well, thank you for doing that. I'd love to learn all that stuff too but, after I got all the programs I couldn't even figure out how to get the source into the program. I'm pretty sure I'd be lost from there anyways. Maybe this will actually fix my FPS problem. I posted it in the tech support spot. This really is happy news.

You shouldn't need those 10 fps, because with your rig you should reach 100 fps, even more.

 

Have you tried whitout OpenJF how works the vanilla game?

 

Or maybe... in Nvidia Control Panel, set energy settings for JA to 'performance'. I have a friend whose graphic card didn't use all its power in JA because of this, and that fixed for him.

Adding openjkx86.exe to Nvidia Control Panel was a good idea and I think I'm going to keep it that way. However, I still see these massive drops in FPS depending on where I am (I.e. combat zones or places with a lot of objects on the screen) I tried vanilla JKA, setting com_maxfps to 125 and still it would dip down the exact same way. It's true that I do reach over 300 FPS with Openjk in that small square hallway in FFA4 but, around people fighting it will dip down as low as mid to lower 20 FPS. I don't believe that should happen with my computer specs that I shown at the beginning of the post.

I should get stable FPS, not dipping between every room on a map. Is it even normal to get huge drops when fighting other people in a server? That's also something I'd like to know.

Yesterday I had a FPS issue in JA: when I enter game, FPS was very low (30 fps more less). I fixed this way: in game, I disable vsync, and then enable it.

 

You say you are using vsync off, so it seems that is not the same issue I had, but you can try it.

Switching vsync on and off does have an effect, yeah. Having it on takes away 10 FPS so, that's not helping any.

make sure r_dynamicglow is set to 0

I just checked and that was already set at 0 too.

Well, I honestly thought after upgrading my computer so many times that I'd finally get a comfortable amount of FPS. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case after my latest upgrade. Let me quickly explain what I have below:

• OpenJK 32 bit Windows build 08/22/2016
• Windows 10 Professional 64 bit
• 10 gigs of DDR3 Ram
• SDHD Hybrid hard drive
• AMD Phenom II X4 975 Processor 3.60 GHz
• MSI Navidia GTX 1050 Ti gaming edition
• JA++ June 2016

With this in mind, I shouldn't be dipping into lower 20 FPS. Before I tried JKA this afternoon, I was playing Skyrim Special Edition on ultra settings. I went on KR and asked if there's anything I could change and one said to set depth to 8 bit. I did vid_restart and it didn't help. Yes, V-sync is off too. Also com_maxfps was also set higher too. Guys, I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Is it my config file? Is there a command to change to make the graphics card pull more or is there a setting that's capping it? I could send my config if anyone wants to see. Please help me out, this is really frustrating after seeing that upgrading parts did nothing for JKA.

Things I've tried EDIT:

• Dynamic Glow is also set to 0.
• Turning V-sync on or off gives or takes 10 FPS from recent testing.
• openjkx86.exe was added to Navidia Control Panel with minimal results.
• Tried JKA without Openjk and didn't help.
• Turning shadows off didn't help much.
• Updating to Tzu's April 24, 2017 Windows build of OpenJK seemed to crash a lot of KR and also didn't help performance any.

Well in that case, everything is cleared up now. I'm not sure how long we're talking on those extra features but, hopefully it won't take more than another year to get this done. Feels like it's been a year ago where I was reading about making a 1.0 release. I guess it just wasn't ready yet. Still looking forward to this anyways.

They really should have done a 1.0 release last year. Its in a perfect condition for that, in my opinion.

What? Like with a fancy installer and everything? Anyways, are you really saying what I have now is probably the best and possibly final version?

Not sure what was done to the source since December 2015, but I've been using a custom build based on that source for years now, and I have nothing to complain about -- it's as stable as the original game:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7bz6a1szn1w36j5/OpenJK-Cerez-Dec-2015.zip?dl=0

Well, that one crashes when I load up JA++ for some reason. Here's the crash report.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5ptmk133pwrvloa/crashlog-2017-02-20_08-19-33.txt?dl=0

Other than that, I've seen five releases of OpenJK builds since the beginning of this year. So... Somebody has certainly done something since November 10th of last year with about twenty-three releases in total since the last Windows build in Mid August of last year. I really don't know what they've changed either but, I'd like to at least try it and see for myself. I still get unknown crashes while playing MP and maybe it could fix it by updating. I'll work on trying to compile my own then and let you guys know if it was worth it or not.

Just an update to those who were following this topic. There still hasn't been any Windows build on the site. I check a few times every month but, I see the other two get regular updates.

@@Darth Futuza - I really don't know what compiling is or even how to do it. If you or someone can link me to a good source on how to compile what's been updated well even into this year then, I'd be happy to give it a shot myself.

I'm only asking about this because, I imagine there must be a lot that's been updated since August of last year and even more since this topic was started in November. I'd really love to test out a newer version myself. Like I said, I'd dedicate my JKA time to Linux if I have to but, I'd like to think other Windows users who follow this project scratches their heads at the lack of build releases too. Anyone know if there's going to be another WIndows build or is there a reason it wasn't done? I'd like to know, please.

Thanks for the prompt reply guys. I'm looking forward to seeing OpenJK get closer and closer to a stable release on all platforms. I know you can do it.

I try to keep up to date on builds and the JA++ mod as much as I can but, it looks like from the builds page on OpenJK there's not been a build since mid August. Why?

I can take a guess that the developers are more interested in developing for Linux and I'm just about ready to start doing a USB boot into Linux at this rate because, there's fourteen releases of Linux builds since that release on Windows. Are those any better than the Windows build made on mid August because, I'll just boot into Linux if you guys want to focus on that.

I never want the Jedi Knight series to stop being supported even if Disney doesn't give a crap about it anymore. That's why I've followed this project for so long. We don't have to worry about hardware and software making the JK games harder for players to play both Multiplayer and Singleplayer. So I just wanted to wave to the team as a Windows player and ask what's going on.