Talk:Tournament

General talk

Do you think that we should use the name of the teams/players that were actually used in the respective tournament or the name that is most known? It becomes complicated when an ESL team changed the name and the players while it's actually the "same" ESL-team (e.g. xeTox->aXiom->WSH or aXiom->JK) --Balthor (talk) 11:21, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Good question. As you can see, I just picked the name that they are most well known by, so it's zentur1o the entire time and not EviLWindu, anemic etc. But we should be careful, since axiom and JK are different, even though they're technically the same team on the ESL that merely renamed. In those cases, we should go for the names they actually used in the tournament, which you can find by comparing the date of the tournament to the history log of the team, since the tournament page always gives the current name and the history log has all the correct details. So your change of axiom to WSH for the Winter Games is correct, for example, but corona vs bioxar is right for this one: http://www.esl.eu/de/jkja/tdm/openingcup/match/5021535/ even if the page says BHK vs sA or something, and xetox is right for #1 on this one http://www.esl.eu/eu/jkja/tdm/tdmeaster07/rankings/ since they were called xetox at that time (04.07) if you check the team logs. --Masta (talk) 11:39, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

I think we need to change some formating as the sorting in the table is completely broken (try to sort for date or cup size). --Balthor (talk) 11:43, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Yeah it doesn't work very well for sorting according to date, but they are sorted by date by default, so f5 solves that; we could put the year and then the month after the year like 2005.10 to fix it, but that's quite a bit of work for something that f5 can do just well enough. The sorting by cup size sucks indeed and I don't even know how we'd go about fixing that. It does sort them by proximity (all 4 size cups together, all 8 size cups etc etc) but it is a mess. Sorting by winners works really well though and that's what I really like about it. So yeah, any ideas for cup size? --Masta (talk) 12:45, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I guess 008, 064 etc would look stupid but that's the only I can come up with atm --Balthor (talk) 13:19, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Applied the changes. See how that works for you now. --Masta (talk) 20:05, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Good job, looks nice --Balthor (talk) 11:32, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Tray for adding the Russian tournaments there, but all the links to vk.com do not provide us with brackets at all (e.g. https://vk.com/basejk?w=wall-87507889_61 ); for the tournament links, only post brackets please. --Masta (talk) 03:39, 18 September 2016 (CEST)

What about tournament series / leagues? For example Epic has held 39 (sic!) JK2 1v1 tournaments since late 2014. Some of them had top players participating and good attendance, definitely worth a mention as a whole. Adding them all would be (a) spam (b) too much work. I propose following format (in a separate table):

Date	L.	Tournament Name	R.	F.	E#	Winners
2014.11-2016.09	SoL	SoL NF		1v1	38	Padawan (15) Pada (9) padawan (3)

Where number in parenthesis after player name is a number of times he won. This could also be used for ladders where "winners" column would contain #1 players with their respective periods of reign. Very long series/ladders (like this one) can be split into shorter periods. Perhaps "winners" columns should be split into #1, #2 and #2 ordered by their win count, or other rule if a tournament/ladder has one. What do you think? --fau (talk) 16:49, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

I think we should add single cups always as single cups. In the end 35 is not a big number compared to the cups we added so far. Doesn't have to be everything added at one time and/or the work can be split between us. But let's see what Ping thinks --Balthor (talk) 19:23, 25 September 2016 (CEST)

Nice job on all these jk2 cups. Maybe we should split the whole thing in Jedi Academy and Jedi Outcast cups now as we have quite a lot JK2 cups. Also thanks for fixing x4n/xandy. It's kinda confusing because I'm quite sure, that the JKA x4n also played some JK2. --Balthor (talk) 21:31, 26 September 2016 (CEST)

I'm going to add about 50 more 1v1 and 2v2 cups from 2015-now period. Also I would like to dig info about a handful of big international tournaments from 2000s I remember and this will be it I think. Too bad whole JK2 ESL is gone and not archived, it worked just a few years ago. Also keep in mind there is a completely separate 1.02 community (mechanically 1.04 is much closer to JKA than to 1.02) and they may want to add their events one day – eg this jk2ffa.freeforums.org link you have in "Stuff to add" section. --fau (talk) 23:49, 26 September 2016 (CEST)

In case of broken links

We saved all of the tournaments as images. If a link is not working anymore, please make a comment. --Balthor (talk) 14:36, 2 March 2016 (CET)

Stuff to add?

http://challonge.com/games/star-wars-jedi-knight-ii-jedi-outcast-3/tournaments Edit: done

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/jedi-knight-ii-tournament-announced/1100-2869605/

http://challonge.com/saber Edit: done

http://jk2ffa.freeforums.org/results-t847.html

There is quite a lot to find on challonge

--Balthor (talk) 22:12, 12 March 2016 (CET)

http://challonge.com/users/epicjk2

http://challonge.com/users/fau

http://challonge.com/users/kr0

--fau (talk) 17:03, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Following international JK2 leagues. Information is sparse on the internet and someone who has better memory of them should try to fill it.

• 2002 Jolt Force of Many, other jk2.jolt.co.uk leagues
• 2002-03 bygames
• 2003 Orbit
• 2004 GH Season 1
• 2005 damage inc
• 2006 GH Season 2
• 2007 ESL Nations Cup
• 2008 bullzeye! Cup
• 2008 HOK Tournament

I think I'm just gonna fill them without missing info (winners and such). Hopefully this will provoke people visiting the page to complete it.

--fau (talk) 13:19, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Todo/Ideas

• Some players or teams don't have the right country flags
• Make a list of top players. Like who won the most cups or reached top3
• Show (money-)prices if there were some
• Link to demos/screenshots
• More JK2 tournaments

--Balthor (talk) 12:58, 23 July 2016 (CEST)

We gotta fix their country flags, definitely. As for the list of top players, one of the reasons why I like this table format is because it allows you to sort according to winners, which gives you easy access to how many people won how many tournaments. However, if we want to make it even more explicit, maybe an article (as a news post, not on the wiki) on tournament victories might be a good idea.

For money prices, I think there were only 2 tournaments that had those, i.e. the basejka ones from 2013 or so. They are a bit of an exception to anything else that has come before or after (except for the heavily priced tournaments in the first few months of jka's release and the jk2 tournaments, but we'd need sources on the price money to verify all of that). Would be hard to implement too.

The rest are excellent ideas. The demos/screens sound like a good idea for the demos archive that never came and never will come. There could be a section just for that: tournament demos etc.

--Masta (talk) 13:35, 23 July 2016 (CEST)

It would be great if there was a way to generate a top-list automatically based on the information in the table. But dunno if that's possible. Maybe we can list money prices separately if we find enough cups which had that. Can you request a subpage of jkhub to host demos? Like demos.jkhub.org or so. That would make this kinda easy. --Balthor (talk) 16:09, 23 July 2016 (CEST)

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As I mentioned above I think it could be a good idea to think about a different kind of division of the table now as we have a lot of JK2 cups. My idea is to have three main divisions: Jedi Academy, Jedi Outcast and Mods (Movie Battles and whatnot). We could also integrate the CTF and weapons cups into the saber table, actually I don't think that it would hurt at all. So in the end it would look like this:

>Jedi Academy

  >Major Cups
  >Minor Cups

>Jedi Outcast

  >Major Cups
  >Minor Cups

>Mods >Unfinished Cups

What ya think?

--Balthor (talk) 21:34, 27 September 2016 (CEST)