Mizore

Yes, from what I've seen I agree with you. It seems a solid game but a pity that they have not been inspired by the lightsaber combat of Jedi Knight. Thanks for the comment.

Has anyone already played JFO? How does it compare to Jedi Academy / Jedi Outcast?

I agree, but I would make the story suit the gameplay, not the other way around, so if the funniest thing is the combat between lightsaber wielders, then I would choose a period where the lightsaber wielders are very common. It is that if I have to choose between the combat between lightsaber wielders of Jedi Academy or the combat between a lightsaber wielder and gunners of The Force Unleashed, I prefer the former, although the ideal would be both.

I don't think it's bad, but I wanted them to based on Jedi Academy lightsaber combat. But it seems that Jedi Academy is already too old unfortunately.

I have not played the wii version of TFU 2, thanks for the information. About dash, it would be interesting that dash did not replace super speed, something like Quantum Break.

I agree that the powers of TFU are superior to JA and JO, but I dislike that TFU lacks of Force sense or Force speed. I also don't like that the only way to heal you is by killing enemies, since suppose you are facing a single boss; The boss is formidable and you need to heal more than ever, but you can't do it because there are no other enemies out there. Of course TFU solves it by adding weak enemies to the battlefield, but I feel they give me medikits instead of boss reinforcements. About lightning, I agree that it should be able to stun some enemies. Although it doesn't bother me at level three, you can easily kill stormtroopers; they are supposed to be cannon fodder. What bothers me is that lightning cannot be used as sniper attack; natural lightning normally travel several kilometers. On drain, it doesn't bother me that you can't use it in Force users, but it bothers me that they can use it on you if they get you with little Force energy. I would put drain against non Force users and injured Force users.

I'm re-playing Survival mod 2: Revenge Of The Droids for Jedi Academy and I thought that the Force powers of Jedi Academy (same with Jedi Outcast) are not very cool or spectacular. It is only my opinion and I also think that better with these powers than without them, but there goes this reflection. Force jump is essential, but I think the jump would have to be faster and add more parkour elements such as clinging to edges or even flying. It might also be good for Force jump to have its own cooldown, independent of the other powers, so that you are not totally helpless. Force speed could be very good. Bullet time is usually a skill that I would like to include in almost every game, but in Jedi Academy it doesn't give me a great sense of speed. You also cannot regulate the time you spend in this hyperkinetic state. Also no enemy will activate that power without you having activated it before and probably a Force user will kill you by also using this ability without you knowing what has happened. I also miss more speed of the protagonist permanently and something like dash, which is basic in many hack and slash games. Force sense is very useful, but I feel that it is not fully exploited. I miss more solvable puzzles with Force sense, night vision, invisible enemies except with Force sense, or enemies that detect you if you activate Force sense. I also think that a passive variant of Force sense would be good, something that tells you that something is not going well but without giving details, because otherwise, what reason does the Jedi have to use Force sense in the first place? Force push and Force pull are useful but in very specific situations, let's say they are too niche and I don't see them spectacular. Force push does not allow you to easily reject missiles, as you have to wait a brief moment between each push. And even more difficult is to reject shots from the concussion rifle, which will probably require Force speed, but in turn this requires normal player reflexes. Force pull is very useful at level three to disarm enemies, but what about enemies that grip their weapons very strongly? To disarm a group of enemies, a telekinetic field that overrides any mechanism within its range of action would be preferable. The lightsabers would not be affected because they are shielded by their wielders. Of course, this would make obsolete the ability to deflect projectiles with the lightsaber, but I would leave this skill for the apprentices and that telekinetic field for the masters. Force heal, Force protect and Force absorb are very useful, but they are examples of something practical but not very cool. In my opinion, the practical but not very cool must be passive, while the practical and cool must be active: replace Force heal with self-regenerative health, Force protect with Force imbued armor and Force absorb with some minigame. Of course, health would regenerate slowly and the enemies would have to be very aggressive so that the fighting is not too easy. Also, as in many other games, it would be nice to be able to permanently increase your health. Some Force users of Jedi Academy have more health than you. This is usually implemented to compensate poor AI, but with enemies that have special powers and usually outnumber us, I think it would be worth it that the protagonist's health could be permanently increased. Force protect acts as armor, I think that it is better that it is directly a imbued armor, whose appearance could be customized and the fact of being imbued would allow degrees of hardness and that it can be repaired by the wearer. Force absorb could be passive against minor telekinetic threats and active against major telekinetic threats, something like a minigame. I also feel that mental trick is not fully exploited, because in single player there are no enemies that can use it against you and other possibilities are not explored such as adopting the appearance of an enemy or change your keybinding temporarily under an enemy's mind trick. In addition, the possibility of using mind trick outside combat, in dialogues, is not explored. Force rage can be overpowered if you can kill the boss before it runs out, and then you heal. For this reason it would be better to activate only if some condition is met, not at will. Force lightning is only useful at level three, but against non Force users, which are not the most dangerous enemies. Against the most dangerous enemies, that is, certain Force users, lightning is useless. Besides the sound of Force lightning does not impose on me; it would have to have two variants: punctual, like the lightning of the storms, causing a terrible sound and a great reach, and the lightning you can throw in the game. Force grip can be fun to throw non Force users through chasms, but for those there are many ways to kill them. The most threatening enemies are probably immune to Force grip. Also remember that Force grip is rather a deterrent power in its origins and does not seem spectacular, it is not as if you tear apart someone's head, which should be a separate power, or cut someone telekinetically. I would also add a telekinesis variant to grab beings, whether alive or inert, without harming them, both for purposes in combat and to solve puzzles. Force drain does not seem spectacular or too useful. I think Force heal is preferable, but if we follow that path, I would make Force drain more brutal and visceral, something vampiric, tearing flesh and feeding on enemies, which for some reason the darksiders are considered the incarnations of evil. I do not consider that Force throw, Force attack and Force defense to be powers, but skills, which can be practiced if you have a lightsaber. Even so, I don't feel Force throw is spectacular, the lightsaber would have to move faster and turn on itself and go further. You should also be able to learn to capture lightsabers that enemies throw at you and to being able to pick up the lightsabers of defeated enemies. Force attack and Force defense would merge them with different fighting styles with lightsaber, each with different degrees of mastery. Well, what do you think?

I do not expect a Jedi Knight combat, but I would like it, because it is still one of the best melee combat systems to date.

But then they would have to flee, since it is not sensible to face a Jedi with that gear and not being a Force user.

There are already melee enemies. I think it would not change much if they carried lightsabers instead, because the game is not going to capture what makes lightsaber special, that is, great cutting power.

But in the video there are still a lot of melee enemies, even though they do not have lightsabers, so I still think they should have been inspired by Jedi Academy lightsaber combat. On the other hand, I do not understand how there are so many stormtroopers with melee weapons; if I were one stormtrooper, I would put as much distance as possible between me and the enemy and try to attack with ambushes and at a distance. Of course, the same could be said of the protagonist.

1. True, but they could have inspired by the combat of the Jedi Knight games. 2. I have not played it on Xbox, but I've read in these forums that Jedi Academy plays pretty well with controller in Xbox. And although the Jedi Knight go against that modern tendency to design combat for controller, there are modern games that are handled better with keyboard and mouse, like Prey of Arkane, but I recognize that it is an exception. About the slow down time, I see it inspired more in what Kylo does in The Force Awakens.

FP_HEAL Heal FP_LEVITATION Jump FP_SPEED Speed FP_PUSH Push FP_PULL Pull FP_TELEPATHY Mind trick FP_GRIP Grip FP_LIGHTNING Lighning FP_SABERTHROW Saber throw FP_RAGE Rage FP_PROTECT Protect FP_ABSORB Absorb FP_DRAIN Drain FP_SEE Sense

The open world games are very expensive and although they have the resources to do something like it, I think they do not want to spend more because only for being Star Wars, they hope to sell a lot.

I agree, a dismemberment system like in Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance. But do not be as fragile as in the movies, because otherwise the fights would be too short, easy or difficult. And Star Wars does not lack justifications for a high toughness; cortosis armor, armor imbued in the Force, etc.

It seems good to me, but not as fabulous as it could be. I find it quite generic, although I think I will like it because it is a single player game in the third person with melee combat and special powers. (I also wait for Control from Remedy, whose charm for me is greater). But for me it is a pity that having the lightsaber combat system from Jedi Academy, they have not been inspired by that.

In single player, the dual lightsabers are superior to the staff in defense, but inferior in attack. In general, the duals are better against gunners because they deflect better the blaster shots, but they are worse against saber wielders. In addition duals have other advantages: if you throw a saber, you do not stay unarmed, and if you are in a lock saber with an enemy, you can throw a saber to kill her / him instantly.

I still consider that the Star Wars brand is a drag on the Jedi Knight games: if Raven had never made Jedi Outcast and instead made a new IP about individuals with psychic abilities and hard light swords in a space age, then I think it would have been more successful and would not have to compete with other Star Wars games like KOTOR or copyright issues with EA and Disney.

https://www.moddb.com/mods/jedi-outcast-academy/downloads/joa-v3-full-version

I would have liked that Jedi Academy had served to inspire others and adopt its combat system, but without being based on Star Wars, such as Devil May Cry at its era served to inspire so many hack and slash for consoles. And about The Force Unleashed, I prefer the Jedi Knight games, but the Force powers seem to me better done in The Force Unleashed; It is clear that they focused on the physics and the Force powers, leaving aside the lightsaber combat.

Yes, but you will recognize that this slowness does not resist an analysis in detail, besides that there are comics where Jedi reject and dodge slugs, which are equivalent to bullets.